24th June 2014
Hindu! First go and fix Hinduism, THEN complain to me about Mohammed and Islam
I have no religion so I can exercise a TOTALLY OBJECTIVE judgement over all religions. I find, invariably, that the founders of various religions had good intentions, even said good things. Not everything they did was good or respect worthy, but they tried.
However, their religion almost always became a CURSE on mankind, with political people (who LUST for power and money) taking command and driving the followers of religions into committing the most heinous crimes in the name of God.
Therefore, from the age of 12 when I gave up religion (and have never gone back to it, although I'm no longer an atheist but an agnostic) I have been even handed in my critiques of religion. Some good, some bad.
I don't take sides, nor mince words. I praise the good and condemn the evil.
BUT those who are religious believers don't take such an approach. They OUTRIGHT condemn others. To one such person I had this to say today:
Re: the 3 statements you made (against Mohammed/ Islam), you did not contextualise. When I praise Jefferson I also know that he kept slaves. So did Washington.
Civilisation moves on, in fits and starts. What was OK at one time is looked down upon in the future. Slavery is a classic case, being found in ALL civilisations.
And re: child marriage, the less said about Hinduism the better. And Sati.
If I were to call Hindus in this manner:
– those in whose religion old men marry little girls (and many of them: polygamy was common in Hinduism – and is practiced even today)
– those in whose religion Dalits are not just shunned but regularly killed
– those in whose religion women are BURNT ALIVE along with their husbands
– those in whose religion widows are treated with UTMOST CRUELTY (have you seen Water?)
– those in whose religion marriage to another caste will lead to death by stoning in a village assembly
– those in whose religion the village 'boss' sleeps with the wife of EVERY newly married person (this STILL happens in many UP villages) [Proof]
then would that help?
My point is that you have failed to demonstrate HUMILITY about your own religion (don't throw stones at others if you live in a glass house), failed to contextualise (Mohammed WAS a reformer – that is absolutely clear), grossly exaggerated and made things appear to be 'black and white', and attributed Ghazni's depredations to the TEACHINGS of Islam. In doing so you have ignored the GREED of Ghazni, the fact that he used mercenaries from YOUR religion (yes, Hindus are happy to destroy temples if paid to do so – and have done so repeatedly – MOST Buddhist constructions in India were DESTROYED by Hindus, and Buddhists literally driven out of India).
Mohammed would have been SHOCKED at the state of Islam today. It is the exact opposite of what he wanted/preached. Likewise Lord Krishna and Lord Rama would have been shocked at the state of Hinduism.
Oppressions are PART of ALL religions. It is easy to use the name of religion to justify one's oppressions. Christianity has been the world's most intolerant and detestable religion. But now (political) Islam is coming close.
That doesn't mean one can broadly paint any religion (particularly its founder) with a black brush. There is a lot of good, even as there is a lot of bad.
So my suggestion: before you criticise Islam FIX Hinduism. Then come to me.
I have no religion, so I take a balanced approach and criticise all religions equally (even as I PRAISE the good, where I find it – and there is plenty of good).
HINDU! GO FIX THIS PROBLEM FIRST BEFORE TALKING TO ME ABOUT ISLAM. 100 TIMES MORE ARE BRUTALISED BY HINDUS IN INDIA THAN BY ISLAM IN INDIA. IN THIS CASE INNOCENT GIRLS WERE BRUTALISED. DO WE HAVE ANY SHAME AS A NATION? DO HINDUS HAVE ANY SHAME AS A RELIGION? WHAT ARE THEIR BOYS LEARNING?
"our collective inability as people committed to the annihilation of caste, to make any difference in a context where caste atrocity is at best a spectacle for consumption and speculation; where images of children who have been brutally assaulted and murdered are traded by the media in unthinkable ways and their experience negated by the rogue state. Where does one begin to roll this back?"