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Johannes Bronckhorst’s studies of ancient Vedic religion and Buddhism

This indologist seems to have arrived at very similar views to that of Sanjay Sonawani.

e.g. Brahmanism: Its place in ancient Indian society – Johannes Bronkhorst (PDF and RTF).

 

 

His other works include:Greater Magadha (2007; Indian reprint 2013), Buddhism in the Shadow of Brahmanism (2011; Indian reprint in preparation) and How the Brahmins Won (2016).

Worth finding time to read this scholar.

This is a placeholder post. Will add notes as I find time.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Rig Veda provides significant evidence of the “Aryan” invasion

I’m incrementally getting inclined to consider the Aryan invasion theory again. Not just migration.

Parpola’s evidence along with latest DNA evidence is becoming persuasive.

Extract below from Parpola’s The Coming of The Ayrans to Iran and India:

In his book The Roots of Hinduism, Parpola cites the following (rather extensive) extracts from a new translation of Rig Veda to demonstrate the nature of early wars. These are from a new translation of the Rigveda by Stephanie Jamison and Joel Brereton (2014).

1,51,5 With your wiles you blew away the wily ones, who, according to their own customs,
poured (their offering) “on the shoulder.”

You broke through the strongholds of Pipru, O you of manly mind; you helped jiśvan
through in the smashing of Dasyus.

6 You helped Kutsa in the smashing of Śuṣṇa, and you made Śambara subject to Atithigva.

With your foot you trampled down Arbuda, though he was great. Indeed, from long ago you
were born to smash Dasyus.

8 Distinguish between the Āryas and those who are Dasyus. Chastising those who follow no
commandment, make them subject to the man who provides ritual grass.

Become the potent inciter of the sacrificer. I take pleasure in all these (deeds) of yours at our
joint revelries.

1,103,3 He who by nature provides support, being trusted for his power, roved widely, splitting
apart the Dāsa strongholds.

As knowing one, O possessor of the mace, cast your missile at the Dasyu; strengthen Ārya
might and brilliance, O Indra.

2,12,4 By whom all these exploits have been done: who has put the Dāsa tribe below and hidden away,

who has taken the riches of the stranger, as a winning gambling champion does the wager— he, O peoples, is Indra.

10 Who has struck with his arrow those constantly creating for themselves great guilt, the unthinking ones;

who does not concede arrogance to the arrogant man; who is the smasher of the Dasyu— he, O peoples, is Indra.

11 Who in the fortieth autumn discovered Śambara dwelling in the mountains;

who smashed the serpent displaying its strength, the son of Dānu, (thereby) lying (dead)—he, O peoples, is Indra.

2,20, 6 The god famed as Indra by name, he the most wondrous, rose upright for Manu.

The able, independent one carried away the Dāsa Arśasāna’s very own head.

7 Smasher of Vtra, splitter of fortresses, Indra razed the Dāsa (fortresses) with their dark wombs.

He gave birth to the earth and the waters for Manu. In every way, he makes the sacrificer’s laud powerful.

4,16,10 Drive here to the home (of Uśanā Kāvya) with your Dasyu-smashing mind. In companionship with you, Kutsa will become eager.

Do you two, having the same form, sit down each in his own womb. She is trying to distinguish between you two—she is a woman who distinguishes the truth.

12 For Kutsa you laid low insatiable Śuṣṇa, who brings bad harvest, with his thousands, before the day’s first meal.

Immediately crush out the Dasyus with (the weapon) that is Kutsa, and then tear off the wheel of the Sun at the moment of encounter.

13 You subjugated Pipru Mgaya, swollen with power, to jiśvan, the son of Vidathin.

You scattered down the dark fifty thousand. You shredded their fortresses, like worn-out age a cloak—

5,34,6 Very energetic in the clash, affixing the wheel (to the chariot?), he is antagonistic to the non-presser, but strengthener of the presser.

Indra is the dominator of all, spreading fear; the Ārya leads the Dāsa as he wishes.

6,20,10 Might we win anew through your help, Indra. The Pūrus start up the praise with this (hymn) along with sacrifices.

When he split the seven autumnal strongholds, their shelter, he smote the Dāsa (clans), doing his best for Purukutsa.

6,26,5 You made that hymn (endowed) with might, Indra, so that you could tear out hundreds and thousands (of goods), o champion.

You struck the Dāsa Śambara down from the mountain and furthered Divodāsa with glittering help.

6,47,21 Day after day he drove off from their seat the other half, the black kindred all of the same appearance.

The bull smashed the two Dāsas, mercenaries, Varcin and Śambara, at the moated place.

7,6,3 Down with those of no intelligence, those tying in knots, those of disdainful words: the Pais, not giving hospitality, not giving strength, not giving sacrifices.

Onward and onward Agni has pursued those Dasyus. The first has made the last to be without sacrifices.

7,19,2 Just you, O Indra, helped Kutsa, while seeking fame for yourself with your own body in the clash,

when for him you weakened the Dāsa Śuṣṇa bringing bad harvest, doing your best for Arjuna’s offspring.

4 You—whose mind is inclined towards men in their pursuit of the gods—along with men you smash many obstacles, you of the fallow bays;

you put to sleep the Dasyu Cumuri and Dhuni, easy to smash, for Dabhīti.

5 Yours are these exploits, you with the mace in hand—that nine and ninety fortifications at once

along with the hundredth you worked to the end, in bringing them to rest [= collapse]. You smashed Vtra, and moreover Namuci you smashed.

8,70,10 You are the one who seeks the truth for us, Indra. You find no satisfaction in him who reviles you.

Gird yourself in between your thighs, O you of mighty manliness. Jab down the Dāsa with your blows.

11 The man who follows other commandments, who is no son of Manu, no sacrificer, no devotee of the gods—

him should your own comrade, the mountain, send tumbling down; the mountain (should send down) the Dasyu for easy smiting.

10,22,8 The Dasyu of non-deeds, of non-thought, the non-man whose commandments are other, is against us.

You smasher of non-allies, humble the weapon of this Dāsa.

10,138,3 The sun unhitched his chariot in the middle of heaven. The Ārya found a match for the Dāsa.

The firm fortifications of the crafty lord Pipru did Indra throw open, having acted together with jiśvan.

4 Defiant, he threw open the undefiable (fortifications); the unbridled one pulverized the ungodly treasure-houses.

Like the sun with the moon, he took for his own the goods found in the fortress. Being sung, he shattered his rivals with his flashing (weapon).

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Some recent notes on Dayanand Saraswati’s belligerent and bigoted Hinduism

For my record and reference – based on recent study. Of course, there are many other references to Dayanand on this blog over the years.

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Dayanand Saraswati's "enlightened" caste system with two types of schools. – from Satyarth Prakash

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Further details of how the "qualitative" (not hereditary) caste system should operate – Dayanand Saraswati's Satyarth Prakash

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Dayanand Saraswati was smitten by the need to differentiate people. His theory was that these are not hereditary, but…

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Dayanand Saraswati is crazy delusional when he says such things. Vivekananda at least recognised that "qualitative"…

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It is amusing to read Dayanand's arguments that caste is real, but qualitative: "Since the divine formlessness and…

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Here Dayanand Saraswati provides a mechanism to allocate "caste", but ALSO TO TAKE AWAY ONE'S CHILDREN!! Ghastly! Reminds me of Plato's Republic.Who in his right mind thinks up such rubbish?

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Dayanand fully supports Manusmriti. He has a really sad message for "Sudras" – you guys are supposed to serve the higher…

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