23rd September 2013
Extreme lawlessness in India: Hindutva terrorists beating up Indian Muslims in the open
I chanced upon this video on youtube. I'm trying to identify the place where this occurred. Please provide your thoughts.
There is total lawlessness in India now. Hindutva terrorists (who MASSACRED Indian Muslims in bulk in 2002) are stopping people on the roadside and beating up drivers in public.
I fear that such events have a strong possibility of driving young Muslims towards terrorism. If the law and order machinery is totally dysfunctional (or – as in the case of Gujarat – where the machine itself is the criminal), then people can see the writing on the wall.
BJP/RSS/VHP/Bajrang Dal are sending clear signals that Indian Muslims are not wanted in India, or that if they wish to remain then they must agree to lose any citizenship rights. [Note that this statement is not based only only this video – it is a small part of the story. There is a huge amount of evidence about this, ranging from actions of the Sangha parivar across India to the hate speeches of Modi and Togadia].
I am not in favour of any organised religion, including Islam. I condemn violence from any group – including Islam.
But this kind of blatant CRIMINALITY by the Hindutva brigade must be curbed if Modi expects ANY support from the general Indian community. If all he and Sangha Parivar are going to do is to give such goondas licence to beat up anyone they don't like, then I can't support Modi regardless of any policies he may promote.
First is the rule of law. Then anything else.
Note that the goondas involved in this beating are doing with considerable "expertise", as accomplished criminals. This incident is clearly not an exception. This is the norm, it would appear.
this is extremely ridiculous. How would you know those are from RSS and the guy who was beaten is a Muslim?
Most of your posts are illogical & biased.
It’s not the knowledge to get to the right side of reality. Give a thought before you are going for controversial issues.
I have used the following as proof:
a) consistency with statements and actions of the Sangha Parivar;
b) people clambering up the truck which is carrying cows, confirming that this has somethign to do with prevention of cow slauguter.
c) The main title of the video.
There might be some other explanation but you should first explain the above, in that case.
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Total Bakwas.The truck is carrying cows for slaughter. The driver was beaten. Muslim don’t do that, they kill. Even when their so called holy book is found abandoned somewhere as happened in Massoori near Ghaziabad in UP last year. If you keep writing such nonsense in your blog you are hurting your own credibility. And cannot do any good for whatever cause you espouse.
You are wasting both your time and energy digging about modi. It is known to world what modi is ? Instead focus your time and energy on SBP. Surely in another 7 months nothing big can happen. Either congress or BJP only can come to force. People are fed up of congress. Now they want to try BJP. Before any other good alternative force/option comes to people BJP/congress or some thing like will continue to rule.
When congress / BJP were founded they had good leaders. In due course of time corrupt have joined the forces as you mentioned in your BFN book. Not every one will have patience to wait for 15 years and still not loose their credibilty. I am doubtful whether loksatta/AAP or SBP for that matter will not loose their credibilty in due course of time before they can become quiet big. I asked the same question to JP. Even he wasn’t sure about this.
Either you should succeed in convincing biggies like ramdev, nandan and others or try JP’s way to grow slowly. I doubt will Nandan join you. Who knows the wealth he as amassed, how much is white and how much is black. Surely everything cant be white.
I’m glad you (and a person on twitter) agree that these are Muslims who are plying their LEGAL business in India.
I’m truly sorry that you did not condemn this lawlessness. All other excuses are lame excuses. The idea seems to be that even “educated” people have NO RESPECT for the law. No wonder India is such a THIRD RATE MESS.
Let me continue my research, even as the courts continue their work.
I did not say that the man being beaten is Muslim, indeed one cannot make out from the video.He could be a Hindu or Christian.
I am sure you understand the difference between lawlessness and terrorism. But you used the words Hindutva Terrorists.
Is slaughtering cows that Hindus hold sacred a legal business in India? It may well be but if you expect Hindus to celebrate it, you are mistaken.
You do not represent the general population of India sanjeev and get one thing into your head very very clearly the muslim community is LEAST interested in your classical liberal politics.
Please be aware that India is one of the world’s largest exporters of beef (since not much is consumed in India). Please also note that non-milch cattle were regularly slaughtered in HINDU INDIA (as clearly and unambiguously demonstrated in http://sanjeev.sabhlokcity.com/Misc/Scientific-Hinduism-meat-beef-India.doc. India is a diverse society with many faiths/beliefs. The LAW is common and it allows for slaughter of all animals for food.
There is no right for any ALLEGED “Hindu” to beat anyone. That is a crime and should be severely punished.
Let me show ALL Indians the ONLY path by following which they will succeed. ALL other paths will fail. Socialism, Hindutva, Islamic fanaticism. All will miserably fail (and have failed).
I know that many Indians HATE INDIA DEEPLY. They would rather kill each other and DESTROY India. But I don’t recommend this approach.
Earlier they were “Hindutva Terrorists” in your blog.Now they are “alleged Hindus”.
I agree that many Indians including some Hindus hate India. Many are looting India and made a growing India into a miserable India. Violence is a by product of this process. Poverty and joblessness does terrible things to particularly the young.
Vedic culture prohibits Beef eating, it is precisely that there are SO MANY Hindus want a ban on Cow killing that people like you even talk about this issue. We Hindus will have laws passed that will SPECIFICALLY PROHIBIT the killing of Bovine animals. Hindus have been making these demands for a long time. Keep your fake Hinduism with yourself.
Hinduism bans Cow slaughter, PERIOD, your fake scholars like Jha can reinterpret and twist the scriptures all they want we Hindus have no doubts about it in our minds, Hinduism demands of us to protect the Cow within our country and we WILL.
When Modi becomes P.M of India and he will in 2014 cow killing will be stopped for good.
Is the blogger a christian by any chance? A hindu generally understands the hindu constitution and the use of hindutva in thr contexts the blogger has used is somewhat telling of his bias. The blogger does not seem to care about christian terrorism in north east india where hindu temples are frequently destroyed and hindus discriminated and killed to force them to convert to christianity. All these with tremendous support of the congress and the foreign and local missionaries.i doubt the blogger’s credibility to speak of freeing india when he has lopsided views and lacks appreciation of hindus and hinduism..
Blogger has spent much time speaking against modi but has suffered amnesia on congress and the gandhis having robbed india
Mr Sanjeev why are u staying in austraila ? if so much concerned about indian muslims than it is better to live in india and help them.
What happened in Kenya? what happened in Pakistan on 21/9/13 and 22/9/13 ? More than 100 people died but you will tell somebody else did this crime , but you will favour your favourite so called religious , peaceloving people.
which research u r doing i am not able to understand. A common person can tell by reading Class 1st to 5th history books. But for lot of literature is required to understand the facts of these religious and peaceloving people.
By using good english words u cant give any message to indians. Plaese dont think that ur all ideas are good , i accept ur free thinking ideas are good . Dont try to put ur other ideas on others head , Others are also having better ideas than urs. Plz others also think.
Please Sabhlok ji aap poori history dobara padhkar dekhiye apko pata lag jayega kaun shantipriya tha , ab bhi hai. Ham india mein reh rahe hai hamein pata hai ki yahan kya ho raha hai. ye log kya kar rahe hai.
mein sabhi ko dosh nahin de raha hun , but most of these persons are supporting wrong persons.
Please try to think from our point of view.
Please condemn ALL violence.
Shravan is it NOT Jha that I cite, nor Vedas, to PROVE BEYOND DOUBT that cows that stopped giving milk were eaten. I cite CHANAKYA.
IT IS CLEARLY WRITTEN IN ARTHASHASTRA.
And there are 100s of archaeological evidence about this. Please read my compilation.
Do you condemn ALL forms of violence?? Please provide evidence.
I’ve criticised ALL violations of law and order. Can you disrprove ONE statement that I’ve made re: Modi?
I’m NOT bothered about Africa. I’m extremely bothered about India so let me continue my research. If you have a SINGLE point to disprove please raise that, for I welcome that. I will need to stop publishing these attacks on me/my selection of topics.
ONLY those comments that focus on rebutting my research willl now be allowed.
Yes I condemn all violence including the unwarranted verbal violence that you inflict upon Hindus by your biased views. But I recognize the right of Hindus to retaliate. I don’t believe in offering the other cheek.
Chanakya lived many thousand years back.India/Hindus have progressed from that stage to being vegetarians.Our scriptures denounce violence toward all living beings including animals. Don’t you think that is evolutionary progress?
However there may be exceptions where vegetation is difficult to cultivate like in deserts or in hills. There non-veg becomes a necessity.But there too, cow being the most useful animal, it is considered holy.
Can you please condemn the violence being perpetrated in the video?
Then we’ll discuss whether SPEAKING THE TRUTH is also known as violence.
The violence in the video is in retaliation to violence done to cows.Now pls don’t ask me not to consider cows as holy.
Only telling one side of the story is not an effort to reach the truth.
Have you read the book I referred to: http://sanjeev.sabhlokcity.com/Misc/Scientific-Hinduism-meat-beef-India.doc
First please condemn violence then I can talk further.
I condemn the violence, as per Sanjeev’s request.
I want both these people to be tried as criminals. Hindu for taking law in his hands. Muslim for inciting “communal violence” by showing that he is going to chop up the cow that Hindu’s worship and treat as mother, whether you agree with their beliefs or not by taking cow for slaughter deliberately in front of Hindus you are inciting communal violence and should be tried for that.
Note: In Kashmir during so called peaceful demonstrations muslims used to shout in front of Indian army men “Gaye tumhari mata hai, hum usko khata hai” – clearly showing that atleast some muslims are aware that Hindu’s belief of cow as their mother and still want to deliberately show that they will kill and eat it. This is inciting communal violence
Now tell me where is communal violence incited by someone practising his own business? His (and MY) right to eat beef is protected in the Indian constitution. I am a scientific Hindu and eat beef. How does selling/eating beef incite violence? Does a Hindu’s killing a chicken make the Jain “excited”? Are Jains killing Hindus for eating chicken/goats/pigs? (or like me, beef)?
Greetings sir,
First request, looking at my name dont think i’m RSS or Hinduvadi.
The exact location is not confirmed. Cows slaughter must be prevented because India because we depend on Milk. you can tell me that cows slaughtered are old. but the problem is we can not determine age of cows before slaughtering. it has nothing to do with islam or hinduism. Even children in india are given cow milk when they’re days old as it has lowest fat content and easily digestable .
I strongly condemn violence. But you should also think its not just RSS/hinduvadi. If we go on road even small accident cause big clashes. Even though i dont support violence, i suggest you to think this way. if you exclude the religion of both what do you see? One rowdy beating up the other. Involving gujarat govt or RSS is a shame.
I live in andhra pradesh. here muslims are largely peaceful and mingle with others easily. But its not in the case of hyderabad. The Old city is full of goons. An Mla among them can threaten home minister. Just because those goons beat autodrivers and bus drivers doesnt mean muslims are bad. Blaming entire RSS is not fair. In my town they run free hospitals and patriotic. No hate speeches delivered.
Gujarat is next to pakistan. Emotions will be running high. same is the case with bengal and J&K. there has been infiltration and directionless islam leaders. if you closely observe this extreme riots are mostly concentrated along gujarat, UP Bengal J&K .common thing along those states is they share a border with other nation. Kerala and bengal were ruled by communists. They are now going out of hands. PFI is an extremist organisation in kerala found with osama bin laden literature. Hyderabad was once under Nizam rule hence polarisation.
Rest of andhra muslims share great relations with hindus. We go to iftar parties and they come our houses for lunch.
All i’m trying to say is that blaming the government entirely is not correct.
Had nehru not started appeasement we would have flourished as a country.
“Also regaring this cow slaightering some times smugglers turn violent and attack these rakshaks. that might also be the reason for violence”. I’m not justifying the violence but putting up a perspective”
http://www.ariseindiaforum.org/forty-eight-oxen-saved-by-gau-raksha-dal-punjab/
Look at milk production in kerala. No official law to ban cow slaughtering.
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/kerala/states-milk-scenario-looks-bleak/article4666275.ece
Regarding Bengal’s issues with radicalisation:
http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/a-dangerous-connivance/article4585420.ece
Regarding owaisi: (radical hyd mla)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkQ2b_DagEI
Owaisi hate speech:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c59ZMNT6krY
about PFI in kerala:
http://newindianexpress.com/thesundaystandard/Kerala-Police-unmasks-PFI%E2%80%99s-terror-face/2013/04/28/article1564744.ece
http://www.deccanchronicle.com/130702/news-current-affairs/article/pfi-arms-trainees-linked-dawood-ibrahim-kerala-police
By posting this i conclude my views
Also i wish to let you know that i dont endorse RSS. I like a few things in RSS and hate a few. I also understand u dont support radical islam organisations. Even after reading your blogs against modi i’d vote him.
after 10 years i dont care if modi is hanged or shot down. currently there is no leader who is not corrupt and can bring some fresh thoughts to the country.
also:
1. he can never do anything regarding hindutva as he needs allies
2. No riot in gujarat which means his oldself (if i were to believe you) cannot come again.
3. He kept VHP at a distance in guj. thats the reason VHP and RSS related BKS are against him.
4. madrasa’s previously terrorised but now they’re getting modernised.
Madrasa once:
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/under-scan-gujarat-madrasas-to-tell-govt-let-cops-screen-admissions/13634/
After following him from so long i can clearly tell he’s anti pakisthan. I clearly told you gujarat shares a border with pakistan. praising sohrabuddin encounter might also be one of those reasons. he’s a staunch nationalist. he doesnt hate muslims but only their ways. who doesnt? i’m talking about population. I’ve seen kids as small as 6 yr olds in mechanic sheds! but he’s open unlike others. He doesnt want to reach out to them by again dividing country based on religion by giving reservations to them. Als he’s not against reservations to poor muslims or poor any other religion. he never spoke anything against quran or muhhamed. Coming from RSS his hatred towards madam is known.
Good luck with your party sir. may be i’d vote you in future if it .
is started someday.
there are two sides of him. i’m only looking at the good side as country needs it urgently. Instead of looking him with hatred if you really be neutral you probably can give him a slightest chance at benefit of doubt if not a clean chit like SIT. My personal belief is that he never encouraged blood shed and going slow on hindus doesnt mean allowing them to vent their anger.but to save his 90% votebank! i believe he’s also not capable of planning such a massive riots in such a small time.
Anyways i dont want to discuss his role in 2002 anymore. Modi of 2013 is the need of the hour and you can already see some change in him. his softened stand on pakistan is one such example.
Do Jains think that chicken /goats and pigs are holy?
Hindus think cow is holy and like mother. Hence your comparison is not right.
Correct comparison will be destroy something that a particular sect or religion might consider Holy. e.g., burning a muslim holy book.
By the way I have already said being hurt is not a pretext for beating people. But if as a Hindu I am aware of cow being taken for slaughter I should sue for inciting communal violence, just as a Muslim will do if he thinks I am taking his holy books for burning.
What a convoluted argument ! Equating chicken with Cow who Hindus consider as holy.
You say you are an atheist (this actually means anti-Hindu), so you can eat whatever you want in Australia. But pls don’t plead to Hindus to eat beef.
You should at least try to understand the feelings of Hindus who are 80% in India.Secularism should not mean the minorities having a right to ride roughshod over the sentiments of Hindus.That is a very distorted meaning of secularism.
I am reading your book on Scientific Hinduism (An irony that a self confessed Atheist writing about a religion) where you bat strongly for meat-eating. I have some questions that I’ll post separately.
I’m not an atheist, for to become an atheist I’d need a level of assurance about NON-existence of God. I have no evidence FOR his existence, but I have no evidence that he does not exist. I’m from the Charvaka-Chanakya HINDU (in the geographical) sense school of INDEPENDENT thought.
I’m MORE Hindu, I argue, than most who claim to be Hindus, for I follow key preachings of the Vedas and scriptures: to think for oneself, to keep one’s mind open, to tolerate differences.
Don’t tell me who is “Hindu” and who is not. Anyone who beats/kills for the sake of any “belief” is NOT Hindu. That person is an enemy of humanity.