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This flimflam about Jan LokPal bill won’t clean India’s image

Indians are DELUDED if they think that the enactment of a Jan LokPal bill will clean India's image in the world.

All the gloating and celebrating about this Bill won't budge corruption ONE BIT, because EVERYONE in the world knows that this Bill is a sham.

The Bill  doesn't deal with the fundamental DRIVERS of corruption. They know that just aping (and that too badly) a tiny part of Hong Kong's anti-corruption framework won't make the slightest dent in corruption in India.

I therefore GUARANTEE (and I'm happy to be held to account on this guarantee) that the rankings of India on the Transparency International index won't budge even after five years of enacting this bill UNLESS the other reforms, clearly outlined in BFN, are implemented.

Without very significant policy changes, corruption in India CAN'T be budged. 

The right policy changes CAN make a huge difference, within less than fives years. The Freedom Team is India that aims to deliver such fundamental reforms is India's ONLY HOPE.

I encourage you to join/support FTI! Be not deluded by the enactment of trifles. The goal should be not just to stop the generation of corruption but to create high quality education for everyone, and freedom to trade and produce. 

Not ONE party (or the India Against Corruption movement) understands what it will take to move India in the right direction.

Investment in India now suffering due to corruption

The future of India is being compromised by bad policies. Corruption is just one of the many reasons why India is losing its attraction as an investment destination. The package we offer to investors is decidedly unattractive – blocking them at every step. 

Just for the record, I'd like to copy most of this article from The Economist, for wider dissemination.

The price of graft

Investors have gone off India. Blame, in part, uncertainty over corruption

Mar 24th 2011

CORRUPTION is dreadful in India, as shown by a current “season of scams”—over mobile-phone licences, the Commonwealth games and more. Politicians, notably the ruling Congress party, are now feeling the public’s ire (see article). Worries have also grown that graft is scaring away foreign businesses.

Circumstantial evidence points that way. A spokesman for a big Western firm mutters into his cappuccino about a recent High Court decision, which if upheld would cost his company billions. It was so strange, he says, it could be explained only by judicial graft. A representative of a British media firm, SIS Live, which broadcast the Commonwealth games from Delhi, in October, is furious—along with other contractors—at being left millions of pounds out of pocket because, he says, payments have been frozen by investigators digging up evidence of corruption at the event.

Across the board, surveys regularly tell how graft is an unusually heavy tax on Indian business. An annual one published on March 23rd by PERC, a Shanghai-based consultancy, shows investors are more negative than they were five years ago. Of 16 mostly Asian countries assessed, India now ranks the fourth-most-corrupt, in the eyes of 1,725 businessmen questioned. Being considered worse than China or Vietnam is bad enough; being lumped with the likes of Cambodia looks embarrassing.

Outsiders may get an exaggerated view. India’s democracy, with a nosy press and opposition, helps to trumpet its scams and scandals, more than happens in, say, China. Yet locals tell similar tales. A cabinet minister frets that there is so much ghotala (fiddling), “it tells the world we are all corrupt. It may be a dampener to investment.” Others agree. KPMG this month reported on 100 bosses who were asked about their own experience of graft. One in three said it did deter long-term investment.

Clean-up costs

Judging how much difference it makes is tricky. Right now, investors may be spooked as much by the fight against graft as by the corruption itself. Arpinder Singh of Ernst & Young in Mumbai says foreigners, especially those with some connection to America, increasingly hire firms like his to help them comply with America’s Foreign Corrupt Practices Act. Once a foreigner holds more than about 5-10% equity in an Indian firm, it is seen as having some responsibility for how it is run.

Now even Indian firms, if they want to raise money abroad, or if their bosses want to protect their own professional reputations, are doing the same. As other countries, such as Britain, bring in tough anti-graft laws like America’s, the trend will continue. Yet many Indian firms still fail to comply with higher standards, so deals falter. Mr Singh ticks off a list, “in infrastructure, ports, toll roads, irrigation, microfinance”, of deals he has worked on that collapsed over “governance problems”.

None of this is enough to prove that graft, alone, is scaring off business. Pranab Mukherjee, the finance minister, insists there is no correlation between corruption and foreign direct investment (FDI).

[Pranab Mukherjee is CLEARLY a big DONKEY – anyone have any doubt on this??]

But something is keeping investors wary. In 2010 the country drew just $24 billion in FDI, down by nearly a third on the year before, and barely a quarter of China’s tally. There is no shortage of other discouragements: high inflation, bureaucracy, disputes over land ownership, and limits on foreign ownership in some industries.

Even so, India is home to an unusually pernicious form of corruption, argues Jahangir Aziz of JPMorgan. Elsewhere graft may be a fairly efficient way to do business: investors who pay bribes in China may at least be confident of what they will get in return. In India, however, too many crooked officials demand cash but fail to deliver their side of the bargain. Uncertainty, not just the cost of the “graft tax”, may be the biggest deterrent of all.

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First national news coverage of the Freedom Team of India

A different team India to rid what ails the country

Sanjay Sharma, TNN, Feb 23, 2011, 04.24am IST
 

CHANDIGARH: A campaign that was born in cyberspace from London to free India of its ills, is exploring possibilities of taking roots in northwest India comprising Punjab, Haryana, Himachal, Chandigarh and Jammu and Kashmir. 

The brain behind the campaign, one of the most popular on the net, Shantanu Bhagwat, who quit his lucrative job of an Indian Foreign Service (IFS) officer, to plunge into politics, on Monday met a group of youngsters from the region here. He was accompanied by a former nuclear scientist Dr Akalpita Paranjape and a software technologist Dipinder Sekhon. 

Around 150 such leaders have come together to form a Freedom Team of India (FTI) to act as a "forum for policy, strategy and leadership development to promote the freedoms of the great peoples of India." 

Dr Paranjape who retired from Bhabha Atomic Research Centre and Bhagwat said the grouping hopes to offer its leadership to India along with the world's best policies to improve governance in India. 

It is driven by a citizen leadership concept where there is no leader but a collection of bright people who shape policies and prepare citizenry. Adharshila, one of the activities, is focused on preparing citizenship. Adharshila is being designed and may be launched in a few months. 

Bhagwat said, the forum's mission is, "An India where everyone is guaranteed equal opportunities and equal dignity and has freedom to pursue his or her own happiness under an accountable and participative government." He added, "We favour a change in the body of systems to bring about this situation." 

Though during the interaction, they did not offer any specific policy framework, yet they indicated why there should be an electronic accounting system in which each deal is tracked and why tax collection and distribution is left to the lowest bodies of governance. Socialistic policies, according to them, have lost their relevance and a true capitalistic system, unlike the crony one India has, appears to be their guiding philosophy. 

The concept of FTI was proposed in mid-2006 on the internet in the manuscript of a 2008 book, "Breaking Free from Nehru". Bhagwat spends a fortnight in London and India each to run the campaign. 

In an open letter released to citizenship, the team has made it clear that it is a formation away from socialistic framework and wedded to liaises faire to unleash opportunities and freedoms for individuals to grow and the nation to benefit from their growth.


Read more: A different team India to rid what ails the country – The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/A-different-team-India-to-rid-what-ails-the-country/articleshow/7552675.cms#ixzz1EkvxQigE

COMMENT

This is the first news coverage of FTI at the national level. Hopefully the nation will start waking up soon!

Good work, FTI members who went to the Chandigarh outreach! And thanks to Suneeta Dhariwal, FTI member for organising this.

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The standard lame excuses of the Indian middle class #1

The live chat yesterday was very fertile. It quickly brought out almost all the key issues that I've been hearing and writing about for well over a decade now. Looks like everyone will keep saying the same things till the cows come home. Always some excuse or other to avoid entering politics or engaging with the governace of one's nation.

Let me extract from my conversation with Sandeep Badjatia, a young man of great potential – his quick and clear expression bears testimony to that – but who is beset with the standard confusions of the educated Indian middle class. First read the extract below, then my comments later.

I'll separately (time permitting) discuss other lame excuses of the educated middle class, such as (a) politics is dangerous, (b) you can't do politics part time, etc. 

(NOTE: For those who wish, I'm happy – even keen – to continue the discussion here – including with Sandeep).

EXTRACT

ISSUE 1: WE NEED TO CHANGE 500 MILLION PEOPLE FIRST

[Comment From Sandeep Badjatia] hello guys… to my mind, if a change has to be brought about, the basic need is to change the people who elect the present day corrupt politicians. one needs to address the basic aam aadmi & tell him where he is going wrong

[Comment From Sandeep Badjatia] a massive awareness wave has to begin

[Comment From Sandeep Badjatia] unless you did that, the aam aadmi will continue to elect the politicians like we have today… & we will still be left discussing

Sandeep Badjatia: the country needs a sea change in her mindset

Sandeep Badjatia: the people have to change… they must know where they going wrong

Sandeep Badjatia: well keep talking… you cant force anything down peoples' throat… you gotta change them like you gotta make a child understand how vegies are good & you will see the child eating them

Sandeep Badjatia: may i remind my friends here, independence came about also coz gandhi brought an awareness in people's mind about the need to be independent.. there were other factors also tho

Sandeep Badjatia: today we need such kind of awareness model

Sandeep Badjatia: lets understand this- the leader is as good as the people

Sandeep Badjatia: unless people change, leaders' quality will remain as bad

ISSUE 2: THE VOTER SELLS HIS VOTE

[Comment From Sandeep Badjatia] wow, the voter sells his vote… thats a reality

Sanjeev Sabhlok: Sandeep B. " the voter sells his vote… thats a reality" I told you the voter is shrewd! He takes money from ALL sides and in the secrecy of the polling booth votes for his preferred candidate

Sandeep Badjatia: no he doesnt… he sells to the one who pays most

Sandeep Badjatia: sale of half a billion votes happens every 5 years

Sanjeev Sabhlok: Sandeep B. "no he doesnt… he sells to the one who pays most". Ask political parties that have paid out and see what results they got. If money was the only thing, ONLY Congress would win. Always.

ISSUE 3: THE EDUCATED ARE UNELECTABLE

Sandeep Badjatia: & the literate & educated have no say

Sanjeev Sabhlok: Sandeep B. "& the literate & educated have no say". That is because THEY DO NOT SAY! Have they entered politics in a systematic way?

[Comment From Sandeep Badjatia] any change can be brought about only if you are in power.. the corrupt will not give in so easily

Sandeep Badjatia: even SMS never won an election

Sandeep Badjatia: try making narayan murthy contest… he will lose big time

Sandeep Badjatia: the literate cant have a say untill the masses acknowledge that should not sell their votes

Sanjeev Sabhlok: Sandeep B. You continue to harp on a few poor quality leaders. Please note what I'm saying: India has NOT offered good leaders to the people for 60 years!

ISSUE 4: LECTURING FTI, REFUSING TO DIRECTLY ENGAGE 

Sandeep Badjatia: if you guys are planning leadership development, please do consider building leaders amongst the people & leaders not pushed down their throats…

Sanjeev Sabhlok: Sandeep B. This is not about "you guys". This is about you.

Comment

So what is Sandeep trying to say?

a) That NOTHING can be done because we need to change the ATTITUDE (mindset) of the people. How many people? Half a billion = 500 million = 50 crore = 5000 lakh. Try changing ONE person. Now start thinking about changing 5000,00,000 people!! Can anyone find a better excuse for inaction than this? How do you propose to change 500 million people, Sandeep? Unless you advocate disenfranchising Indians and would prefer to be the sole dictator yourself.

b) That voters not only have an attitude problem but are CRIMINALS, apparently selling their votes to the highest bidder. If things were some simple, then as I wrote above, ONLY the Congress would win. Without doubt the Congress has amassed tens of billions of dollars in black money: thousands of crores of rupees. And yet it has repeatedly lost hundreds of elections. It is rump of what it was in Nehru's/ Indira's/ Rajiv Gandhi's time. The BJP hasn't fared much better. A BJP man told me (in my house, first hand) that he distributed Rs.35 lakhs personally in the slums of Mumbai in an election not so long ago (that was only a small part of the total distribution). And BJP lost. The reality is that voters are just too smart. They will take all benefits from all sides and vote only for the one they want to. After all, voting is by SECRET ballot in India! Simple. Don't underestimate the voter. He is not a criminal, just taking advantage of a bad situation where primarily goons come to him for support.

c) Even 'smart' people like MMS can't get elected. Of course not. MMS lost the election in 1999. But note that the entire Congress was wiped out securing only 114 seats. Not just MMS but HUNDREDS OF other Congress candidates lost. It was a wave against Congress – its lowest seat count perhaps, ever. The point is that the voter votes for stability – for a stable government. Once he decides that Congress should not form government, then its individual candidates matter far less than before. Also NO voter knew anything about MMS personally. He is also a very insipid leader and doesn't deserve to get elected (apart from his extremely shoddy moral character displayed by his associating with a political party that is India's largest mafia – a totally criminal organisation, looting the country at every step).

The solution

Note what I've said, that ONLY thought systematic effort can good people get elected. You can't offer the voter one or two good candidates. You must offer a very strong team. Plus there must be a huge propaganda and communication machine. Only then will the voter care to spend his vote on you. The voter is not a fool. Please don't underestimate his wisdom.

In brief, we now need hundreds of people like Sandeep to join FTI if they want to reform India's governance in their lifetime. It is time they stop making lame excuses. The time for buck-passing (to 500 million people!!!!) is OVER. Get on with the job and take responsibility for yourself and your nation.

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Transcript of live chat of 26 January 2011 (Leaders First)

Thanks to Shantanu Bhagwat, I was able to participate in a live chat yesterday (details here) – my first. It was a fascinating experience. Very lively. As a learner I kept pressing the wrong key. Need to practice more. 

I'm posting the transcript here "as is". The last time I tried to post a transcript of a similar live chat (organised by Shantanu but in which I had not participated), the blog post completely blew up because of the huge table that I inserted into the post. This time it has not yet "blown up", so let me not tempt fate. This one is just the record. I'll comment in a separate post.

5:30
Shantanu: 
 
Welcome to the Live Chat on "Leaders First".
5:31
[Comment From Dipinder Sekhon] 
 
Hello everyone. Happy Republic Day! Looking forward to the discussion. Cheers!
5:31
Shantanu: 
 
Happy Republic Day to all!! Jai Hind, Jai Bharat!
5:31
[Comment From Lalatendu Dash] 
 
Hi Shantanu.
5:31
[Comment From Sanjeev Sabhlok] 
 
Thanks, Shantanu. I'm ready. My first time, so give me some time to learn!
5:31
Shantanu: 
 
We’re going to get started in just a few minutes, but first, a few housekeeping items:
5:31
[Comment From Sandeep Badjatia] 
 
hi all
5:31
[Comment From Umadevi Desabhotla] 
 
Happy Republic Day to all
5:32
[Comment From Lalatendu Dash] 
 
Happy Republic day to you and others too
5:32
Sanjeev Sabhlok: 
 
What happened in Srinagar today?
5:32
[Comment From Vidyut Jain] 
 
hi Shantanu…
5:32
[Comment From Piyush Gupta] 
 
Hi. Happy Republic Day.
5:32
[Comment From Dinesh Dharme] 
 
Happy Republic Day to ALL
5:33
Vidyut Jain: 
 
hello to everybody
5:33
Shantanu: 
 
Apparently a young Mohan Reddy managd to get w/in 50 yrds of LalChowk w/ flag in hand. Was thrashed, hauled away by J&K police. Bhaarat Lives!!
5:33
Shantanu: 
 
Unfortunately dont have more details
5:33
Sanjeev Sabhlok: 
 
That's a total shame.
5:34
Shantanu: 
 
Important: A few housekeeping items:
5:35
Shantanu: 
 
• This is a text-only chat meaning an audio component isn’t available.
5:35
Shantanu: 
 
• A full transcript of the chat will be available as soon as the chat concludes.
5:35
Shantanu: 
 
We'll be starting momentarily…Thanks for joining all.
5:35
[Comment From Lelouch Lamperouge] 
 
The true human being fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him…
5:36
[Comment From Shreeram Pandit] 
 
don't we have other means to show that Kashmir is a part of India??
5:36
[Comment From Lelouch Lamperouge] 
 
no..no… its our pleasure
5:36
[Comment From Lalatendu Dash] 
 
Shame indeed.. Though it would be useful if we can get the complete and full details around the event.
5:37
Sanjeev Sabhlok: 
 
Shreeram, here's an extract from my response to a similar comment on my blog: This is a VERY serious matter for a government to prohibit the hosting of the national flag. That is literally a call for revolution or for the army to move in. This is not a political issue between BJP/Congress. It is a fundamental matter that relates to the existence of India as a sovereign nation. It is not about trying to show that Kashmir is a part of India. Not being able to hoist the national flag is an assault on the nation itself.
5:38
Shantanu: 
 
OK, we will start now…Sanjeev: Can I ask you to please start with a few words? Perhaps around why it has to be "Leaders First?" . Thanks
5:38
Sanjeev Sabhlok: 
 
OK.
5:39
[Comment From sandeepshelke] 
 
सभी भारत वासियों को मेरा प्रणाम. गणतंत्र दिवस की शुभकामनाये. हमरा गणतंत्र टिकने के लिए हमें लोह पुरुष की आवश्यकता हैं. जय भारत जय भारती !
5:39
Sanjeev Sabhlok: 
 
Well, the focus of this discussion is to find leaders to lead India to freedom and good governance. Let me explain why:
5:39
[Comment From Shreeram Pandit] 
 
but we can't hoist the national flag inside our house also forget about in Kashmir..
5:39
Shantanu: 
 
Shreeram: Lets stick to the topic…If we have time, we will come back to the flag hoisting issues. Thanks.
5:40
Sanjeev Sabhlok: 
 
The reason we need leaders first is that it has been very difficult to find leaders to contest elections. The middle class has been very reluctant to enter politics.
5:40
[Comment From Dhiraj Khanna Khanna] 
 
Hi, Good Evenining. Glad to share some ideas.
5:40
Sanjeev Sabhlok: 
 
The second reason is that without leaders coming first and agreeing to policies, we will end up in confusion – as has happened with many nascent political efforts.
5:41
[Comment From Shreeram Pandit] 
 
ok sir..
5:41
Sanjeev Sabhlok: 
 
In brief, if we can get leaders first we can hope to build a policy consensus and then move into the political space.
5:42
Sanjeev Sabhlok: 
 
So leader first, then policies, then politics
5:42
Sanjeev Sabhlok: 
 
Is this thing working?
5:43
Shantanu: 
 
Great…Any questions at this stage?
5:43
Shantanu: 
 
I think there is a significant latency today..I cannot see my comments either.
5:43
[Comment From Lalatendu Dash] 
 
I have one
5:43
Vidyut Jain: 
 
but why can't we build up policies while moving into the political space?
5:43
Shantanu: 
 
Pl go ahead
5:43
[Comment From Lelouch Lamperouge] 
 
i totally agree with sanjeev sir's view…but i want to ask how can we do it n how we wil lbe able to know whether that man possess a leader quality or we can make him one ….?
5:44
Umadevi Desabhotla: 
 
the leader shoudl fit specific criteria…country must come first, not money minting
5:44
Dipinder Sekhon: 
 
Question/Comment: It becomes easier to attract/retain leaders with ongoing on-the-ground political activity (under a common banner)?
5:45
Sanjeev Sabhlok: 
 
Vidyut, once you move into the limelight of politics, you live or die through your public statements. If you are making policy on the run you are likely to be caught out and the political effort will fail.
5:45
[Comment From Lalatendu Dash] 
 
Which is more important. the competency.. or the leadership capability of the person?
5:45
Sanjeev Sabhlok: 
 
Lelouch, the leader knows that he/she is ready to be a leader.
5:46
[Comment From Lalatendu Dash] 
 
for one can still posses a considerable amount of leadership skills but need not have relevant competency to address real issues on the ground
5:46
Sanjeev Sabhlok: 
 
Lalatendu – same point. The leader knows.
5:47
Piyush Gupta: 
 
w.r.t. to policies, what is needed is clear agreement on the philosophical foundation and stated as such. The foundation can't be left vague. Once the foundation is agreed, details policies in response to issues of the day can be crafted.
5:47
Sanjeev Sabhlok: 
 
Leadership skill that doesn't include policy competency is meaningless and irrelevant. We can't call such people leaders.
5:47
Sanjeev Sabhlok: 
 
Piyush, excellent point.
5:48
Sanjeev Sabhlok: 
 
Indeed, Piyush, on FTI we have this strategy: leaders who assemble based on philosophical agreement (classical liberalism); then detailed policy discussion and agreement; and finally the step to reach out into politics.
5:49
Piyush Gupta: 
 
In response to Dipinder's comment, I would say some sort of an organisation is needed (not doing public activity on the ground to begin with) but to bring people in to the fold. Mere aggregration loses attraction very soon.
5:50
[Comment From Shreeram Pandit] 
 
will the prevalent scene in Indian politics improve if corporate like rules n regulations will be imposed such as eligibility criteria, performance based incentives, yearly appraisals????
5:50
Sanjeev Sabhlok: 
 
Vidyut, to an extent there is a via media between your point and Piyush's. You can agree to foundational principles and key policies and THEN make detailed policies even as you move into the political space. Not advisable for a first-time effort, but that is what established political parties do.
5:51
Piyush Gupta: 
 
re Shreeram's comment – it is certainly worth a try.
5:51
sandeepshelke: 
 
Leader has to be dedicated to the cause. Leader should carve out best possible for those he/she is representing. Leader must not be driven by mob but by RAJ DHARMA.
5:52
Sanjeev Sabhlok: 
 
Shreeram
5:52
Sanjeev Sabhlok: 
 
Shreeram, these details are outlined in my book, Breaking Free of Nehru. Have a read.
5:53
[Comment From Yogesh Shastri] 
 
In response to Shreeram's statement – I would like to submit that although Sri Pandit's remedy would work in an ideal environment, it wouldn't be very effective in practical world. Look at the corporate world around us. There are leaders who have failed thier teams in every way.
5:53
Sanjeev Sabhlok: 
 
Piyush, FTI is currently an 'aggregator' as you point out, but is making progress through its conferences. I agree that more active work on the ground (not necessarily political) will help.
5:53
Piyush Gupta: 
 
The biggest difficulty in entering politics today is either all or nothing consequence of engagement. For a concerned citizen, this makes it very difficult. Any effort to bring leaders together needs to take this into account as to how can this be addressed.
5:55
Sanjeev Sabhlok: 
 
Piyush, that's why I insist that politics should be seen as a joint responsibility to the nation, SECONDARY to our responsibility to ourselves and our families. That means that people continue in their jobs and contribute part of their time to political work. If elected, they can resign their jobs.
5:55
sandeepshelke: 
 
Making every leader (claimed or true) realize the common good and work towards it is a task to be done. Which is one of the toughest seeing the way we are educated in schools and colleges
5:55
[Comment From Shreeram Pandit] 
 
thanks Piyush, sure Sanjeev sir.. but a lot of people between us needs to be in the parliament first to introduce changes..
5:56
[Comment From Anil Sharma] 
 
Good point Sandeep, the RAJ DHARMA must be defined though. For me it means "Freedom with responsibility".
5:56
[Comment From Sandeep Badjatia] 
 
hello guys… to my mind, if a change has to be brought about, the basic need is to change the people who elect the present day corrupt politicians. one needs to address the basic aam aadmi & tell him where he is going wrong
5:56
Sanjeev Sabhlok: 
 
Shreeram
5:56
Sanjeev Sabhlok: 
 
FTI aims for at least 1500 members before active politics is commenced.
5:57
[Comment From Bharat Kardak] 
 
What will be plan of action of FTI and what are time frames (fortunately found this chat page- thanks to all)
5:57
Sanjeev Sabhlok: 
 
Sorry, Sandeep B, I disagree. The common man has done a commendable job in the last 60 years. It is our educated and middle classes that have done a third rate job by sucking up to corrupt politicians and refusing to enter politics.
5:58
Piyush Gupta: 
 
Let me ask a question. Can political change happen without being preceded by social change?
5:58
[Comment From Anil Sharma] 
 
Sandeep Badjatia, how would you change each and every aam aadmi?
5:58
Sanjeev Sabhlok: 
 
What is social change, Piyush? What is society? What is change? When does change start when does it end?
5:58
[Comment From Dhiraj Khanna Khanna] 
 
Please tell me what is FTI.
5:59
[Comment From Sachin Arora] 
 
Good evenig everybody & happy republic day. Sorry for joinining late as the link was not working clearly.
5:59
[Comment From Sandeep Badjatia] 
 
boss, unless you did that, any amount of discussion between us & other few like minded people is useless
5:59
sandeepshelke: 
 
@Anilji, Raj Dharma is where well defined by Chanakya and with slighter modifications, if needed, can be used in these times too. Integrity, honesty and delivering freedom with its responsibility.
5:59
Sanjeev Sabhlok: 
 
FTI = Freedom Team of India. Search google. http://freedomteam.in/ Download its brochure
5:59
Vidyut Jain: 
 
Well political change happened in india before any substantial social change
6:00
Piyush Gupta: 
 
Social change is being willing to be a concerned citizen. Day in and day out, all around us, we find that more and more people are just willing to be concerned citizens.
6:00
sandeepshelke: 
 
Like Dr. Ambedkar said Freedom, Equality and Fraternity all together must be delivered to maintain the GANTANTRA.
6:00
Sanjeev Sabhlok: 
 
Sandeep B, The voter is MUCH smarter than us.
6:00
[Comment From Sandeep Badjatia] 
 
a massive awareness wave has to begin
6:00
[Comment From Bharat Kardak] 
 
To achieve political change, one must dedicate to politics. Part Time would not work….
6:00
[Comment From Sandeep Badjatia] 
 
unless you did that, the aam aadmi will continue to elect the politicians like we have today… & we will still be left discussing
6:00
[Comment From Sandeep Badjatia] 
 
a revolution of sorts
6:00
[Comment From Anil Sharma] 
 
Piyush, I do think that political change can happen without social change. This is what a true leadership brings to the table.
6:00
[Comment From Dhiraj Bansal] 
 
vande mataram to everyone. i think the main reason for a common man to not join politics is lack of security and the possibility of being lost out for being alone responsible in the world of criminal rulers.
6:00
[Comment From Yogesh Shastri] 
 
It can be concluded from what all of you are saying that nothing short of revolution can bring quality into our politics or politicians. And although there are always such people who raise flag against what is wrong and immoral, what we need is critical mass of such people coming together on same platform to initiate change.
6:00
[Comment From Lalatendu Dash] 
 
@Sanjeev, we are a democracy and a good leader is as good as nothing until voters choose him/her. In my humble view, Indian voters have still not matured to the level where they can vote keeping the nation in their minds. There have been "bright spots" but not to the extent to make reasonable difference. Given this how would you use the qualities of good leaders even if we find them?
6:00
[Comment From Shreeram Pandit] 
 
Yogesh what according to you are practical difficulties in having corporate rules not being effective in political scene??? to me it will curb down the corruption at least..
6:01
[Comment From Sandeep Badjatia] 
 
wow, the voter sells his vote… thats a reality
6:01
[Comment From Dhiraj Khanna Khanna] 
 
I agree with mr. Sanjeev about our common responcibility.
6:01
[Comment From Sachin Arora] 
 
Sandeep ji, you r right in describing Rajdharma but how many rajas follow rajdharm after gaining rajyog!
6:01
Sanjeev Sabhlok: 
 
Piyush, "Social change is being willing to be a concerned citizen". If that's all that is to it, then of course it is crucial. That's what FTI is also doing – raising the concept of citizenship in the minds of educated people.
6:02
[Comment From Sandeep Badjatia] 
 
i have watched polity closely… i know whats going on in present day politics
6:02
Sanjeev Sabhlok: 
 
Dear Bharat, Re: "To achieve political change, one must dedicate to politics. Part Time would not work….". Then you are finished. With that excuse you'll do nothing. Nice.
6:02
Vidyut Jain: 
 
in my opinion the fundamental function of a leader is to articulate a vision of change inspiring people to actually bring about that change
6:03
Sandeep Badjatia: 
 
& the literate & educated have no say
6:03
Sanjeev Sabhlok: 
 
Sandeep B, "the aam aadmi will continue to elect the politicians like we have today." Sorry. The aam admi is VERY shrewd and clever. He/she will elect good leaders ONCE THEY ARE OFFERED.
6:03
[Comment From Sandeep Badjatia] 
 
any change can be brought about only if you are in power.. the corrupt will not give in so easily
6:03
[Comment From Anil Sharma] 
 
Sandeep B: that's what needs to be changed in present day politics
6:03
[Comment From Bharat Kardak] 
 
@ SS Does it means, Catch Them Young Policy and to find the correct leaders from these 1500 team members? It sound good.
6:03
Sanjeev Sabhlok: 
 
For the past 60 years GOOD LEADERS HAVE NEVER BEEN OFFERED!
6:03
Sandeep Badjatia: 
 
even SMS never won an election
6:04
[Comment From Somnath Bharti] 
 
hi, this is Somnath Bharti.
6:04
Sandeep Badjatia: 
 
try making narayan murthy contest… he will lose big time
6:04
[Comment From Sachin Arora] 
 
Rightly so Vidut & that is what we need a visionary who could formulate & implement polices for nations development.
6:04
Sanjeev Sabhlok: 
 
Yogesh, I'm not talking revolutoin, but good politics. Your point, though is valid: "what we need is critical mass of such people coming together on same platform to initiate change"
6:05
Vidyut Jain: 
 
sanjeev i agree we have never had good leaders or any inspirational figure in indian politics
6:05
Shantanu: 
 
Dear All: Please allow me to bring some order into the discussion. Can everyone please hold off their comments until Sanjeev or I have fuly responded to the points raised above? This isa request. Thanks
6:05
Sanjeev Sabhlok: 
 
Lalatendu, "Indian voters have still not matured to the level where they can vote keeping the nation in their minds" Nice excuse to stay out of politics. Blame others. I'm saying that NO POLITICAL PARTY has offered Indian voters good leaders over the past 60 years. We have to change that and give the voter A CHANCE!
6:05
[Comment From Yogesh Shastri] 
 
Sandeep, lif literate and educated say that they don't have any say, then it is a pitable state. Change doesn't happens spontaneously. It has to be brewed constantly through tireless and relentless efforts, and shown way by the leaders leading through example.
6:05
Sandeep Badjatia: 
 
the country needs a sea change in her mindset
6:05
sandeepshelke: 
 
@Sachinji, agreed they are not sticking to it. And I believe that has brought us together today. So integrity and honesty is what one must not dilute. If that happens then you no more remain a leader with responsibility and become just another Manmohan Singh
6:05
Sandeep Badjatia: 
 
the people have to change… they must know where they going wrong
6:05
Shantanu: 
 
Dear All: Please allow me to bring some order into the discussion. Can everyone please hold off their comments until Sanjeev or I have fuly responded to the points raised above? This isa request. Thanks
6:06
Sandeep Badjatia: 
 
andidates
6:06
Sanjeev Sabhlok: 
 
Sandeep B. " the voter sells his vote… thats a reality" I told you the voter is shrewd! He takes money from ALL sides and in the secrecy of the polling booth votes for his preferred candidate
6:06
Shantanu: 
 
Can everyone please raise specific points (in brief) so that we can respond fast and more efficiently? Thanks
6:06
Sandeep Badjatia: 
 
no he doesnt… he sells to the one who pays most
6:07
Sandeep Badjatia: 
 
& this is the basis of corruption
6:07
[Comment From Lelouch Lamperouge] 
 
when aam adami is given a choice to choose a leader…there r no eligible leaders at whom aam adami can look up ad a good leader,so wat he does is that closes is his eyes n chooses any one randomly…
6:07
Sanjeev Sabhlok: 
 
Sandeep B. "& the literate & educated have no say". That is because THEY DO NOT SAY! Have they entered politics in a systematic way?
6:07
Sandeep Badjatia: 
 
sale of half a billion votes happens every 5 years
6:08
Sanjeev Sabhlok: 
 
Bharat K. "Catch Them Young Policy". No it is a simple policy. ALL LEADERS from India, regardless of age (above 21) can join FTI.
6:08
Shantanu: 
 
Sandeep: I would disagree with you on the basis of corruption but will leave it for another time…The root is campaign finance and election expenditure…(or maybe we are saying the same thing differently?)
6:08
Sandeep Badjatia: 
 
the literate cant have a say untill the masses acknowledge that should not sell their votes
6:09
Sanjeev Sabhlok: 
 
Sandeep B. You continue to harp on a few poor quality leaders. Please note what I'm saying: India has NOT offered good leaders to the people for 60 years!
6:09
Shantanu: 
 
The crux of the issue is (deliberatly typing in BOLD): LACK of SUFFICIENT NUMBER OF CREDIBLE, ELECTABLE LEADERS…
 
How do we resolve that?
6:09
[Comment From Raviraaj Paatil] 
 
abolishing hard currency n establishing 100 per cent digital currency won't dare anybody to take money for immoral acts…like for votes
6:09
[Comment From Dhiraj Bansal] 
 
what about narendra modi, nitish kumar, swami ramdev. they are future hope for indian politics
6:09
Sandeep Badjatia: 
 
lets understand this- the leader is as good as the people…
6:10
[Comment From Shreeram Pandit] 
 
lets not focus on whats not happening but on what should be happening..
6:10
[Comment From Vijay Shrotryia] 
 
I agree with the point of Sanjeev when he says that india has not offered good leaders.
6:10
Sandeep Badjatia: 
 
unless people change, leaders' quality will remain as bad
6:10
Somnath Bharti: 
 
@Sandeep: this is a vicious cycle….leaderspeople
6:10
Dipinder Sekhon: 
 
@ Dhiraj – " think the main reason for a common man to not join politics is lack of security and the possibility of being lost out for being alone responsible in the world of criminal rulers". Right. Unity helps here. Do not not do it alone. FIRST form a large enough group, with other likeminded leaders/people. FIRST prepare sufficiently, and have the people behind you. THEN contest.
6:10
Sanjeev Sabhlok: 
 
Shantanu, I'm OK with this fast pace. Sandeep, " the people have to change". I think YOU have to change! I have to change. That's all. I'm asking YOU to lead (if you can). Stop whining about the 'people' – nice excuse to do nothing.
6:10
Shantanu: 
 
Shreeram: What should be happening (at least we hope for it) is for clean, upright, capable leaders to come together…That is the driving force/motive behind FTI
6:10
Sandeep Badjatia: 
 
yeah… but its all about people
6:11
Somnath Bharti: 
 
@Sanjeev, one is willing to change but for that one has to know to what.
6:11
Shantanu: 
 
Sandeep: Actually no, It is ALL ABOUT LEADERS, I think!
6:11
Sandeep Badjatia: 
 
democracy is team work
6:11
Sanjeev Sabhlok: 
 
Sandeep B. "no he doesnt… he sells to the one who pays most". Ask political parties that have paid out and see what results they got. If money was the only thing, ONLY Congress would win. Always.
6:11
[Comment From Yogesh Shastri] 
 
Sandeep, you are right on the mark – "The leader is as good as the people"
6:11
[Comment From Vijay Shrotryia] 
 
However more than that I think the issue is of the people than of the leader
6:11
[Comment From Vijay Shrotryia] 
 
let me put a small example of Utsav Sharma, what he did yesterday and what he did earleir with Rathore…. this is a reflection of people's frustration with the system
6:12
Sanjeev Sabhlok: 
 
Sandeep B. "the literate cant have a say untill the masses acknowledge that should not sell their votes". One more nice excuse! Keep it up, Sandeep. You do India proud.
6:13
Somnath Bharti: 
 
conditioning gone in the most formative and imperssionable age by a sick education system is what the individuals are made up for
6:13
[Comment From Vijay Shrotryia] 
 
and further if at all we are able to put FEAR pressure on the politicians we might b able to achieve what really we want
6:13
Somnath Bharti: 
 
they will do what they were trained for
6:13
[Comment From Dhiraj Bansal] 
 
@dipinder: but have u seen the movie Rakht charitra, it clearly shows how unsafe a coomon politician will be. Then how can u motivate anyone to join politics.
6:13
Somnath Bharti: 
 
real change to take place is to start too early
6:13
Sanjeev Sabhlok: 
 
Sandeep B. "lets understand this- the leader is as good as the people…" I can see that now. You are claiming ONE more excuse! All very good, Sandeep. In that case why are you here? If NOTHING can be done then leave India!
6:13
Sandeep Badjatia: 
 
well keep talking… you cant force anything down peoples' throat… you gotta change them like you gotta make a child understand how vegies are good & you will see the child eating them
6:13
Anil Sharma: 
 
Vijay Saab you are talking Naxalites language
6:13
[Comment From Vijay Shrotryia] 
 
@Somnath: Yes I agree our education system has to have a different focus….
6:14
[Comment From Lalatendu Dash] 
 
@Sanjeev, I am not sure if we can say Indian voters have not been offered good candidates at all. I know at least few cases from my place where good canditates WERE offered but did not win because voters did not vote them. (And no I am not blaming the voters here or trying to be patronizing. Am trying to highlight the important to educate the voters so that they can make a better informed choice)
6:14
Umadevi Desabhotla: 
 
It is true that good leadership has not been offered till now..we have to admit that bribery goes on during elections, so how does FTI or like minded group counter that?
6:14
[Comment From Lelouch Lamperouge] 
 
jab hum kisiki dukhti nubs par haath rakhte hai aur phir uske baad usse dawa dete ahi to wo accept kar leta hai….in the same way the politicians knows that the common man needs money ,then they offer them money as per their needs n the common man happily gives the vote to that party…
6:12
[Comment From Sachin Arora] 
 
Yes it is frustration of common man with the system
6:14
[Comment From Raviraaj Paatil] 
 
abolishing hard currency n establishing 100 per cent digital currency won't dare anybody to take money for immoral acts…like for votes
6:15
Sandeep Badjatia: 
 
i live here coz this is much MY country as it is yours MAN!!!
6:15
[Comment From Vijay Shrotryia] 
 
now who makes that system…. it is we…
6:15
Sandeep Badjatia: 
 
& if i give my point of view, you ask me to leave india… is this how you will deal with aam aadmi?
6:15
Somnath Bharti: 
 
revolution has hardly brought any better change, it has to be evolution
6:16
[Comment From Vijay Shrotryia] 
 
I think if people start opposing such acts in public and such people are not allowed to attend social gatherings, it would have some presure….
6:16
[Comment From Yogesh Shastri] 
 
I think if each of us who is realy bothered about the state of polity in our country tries to educate who are close to us, who work with us and who work for us in a non-obstrusive way, we can initiate change in our own humble way. I mean we can allow that spark to ignite. We may see the fire in our lifetimes and we may not, but that is my idea of initiating a large scale change. Of course the change won't have same DNA everywhere, but that will only reinforce it.
6:16
Sanjeev Sabhlok: 
 
Latandu, "I am not sure if we can say Indian voters have not been offered good candidates at all. I know at least few cases from my place where good canditates WERE offered but did not win because voters did not vote them."
6:16
Sanjeev Sabhlok: 
 
I am not sure if we can say Indian voters have not been offered good candidates at all. I know at least few cases from my place where good canditates WERE offered but did not win because voters did not vote them. Let me
6:17
Sanjeev Sabhlok: 
 
Sorry I'm trying to resond and each time I press enter the comment goes off!
6:17
Somnath Bharti: 
 
@Sanjeev/Shantanu, please bring in order in the talks
6:17
[Comment From Vijay Shrotryia] 
 
some emotional, intangible pressure which at times is more powerful than the punishment by the court…
6:17
Sanjeev Sabhlok: 
 
Latanedu, what I'm saying is that the voter needs a FULL FLEDGED POLITICAL PARTY and the works. He/she wont' vote just for one good candiate.
6:17
[Comment From Raviraaj Paatil] 
 
checks at every level will fix all problems
6:18
Shantanu: 
 
Sorry, I was away for a few minutes,,,Let me try and bring the various strands together.
6:17
[Comment From Sachin Arora] 
 
we make the system than why blame others if the parliament is run by thugs & corrupt people.
6:18
Dipinder Sekhon: 
 
@Dhiraj "but have u seen the movie Rakht charitra, it clearly shows how unsafe a coomon politician will be. Then how can u motivate anyone to join politics". Even Rakht Charitra demonstrates that a large group of people supporting you acts as a safety net.
6:18
Sanjeev Sabhlok: 
 
Sandeep B. You are NOT an aam admi. I am expecting you to rise and lead!
6:18
Vidyut Jain: 
 
we can keep finding excuses for not joining politics like corruption,goons etc etc. but the fundamental fact remains that we have never had a well articulated vision of change by any one in india, may it be a political party or independents. leadership as per the reasoning in the chat we will have to wait for the goon and the sytem to clean themselves up before we enter politics…well i disagree…to unite a nation a diverse as india requires a uniting politics and not the current divisive one…and for this a leaders of high calibre are requires
6:18
Somnath Bharti: 
 
boss, no checks will be of any use unless the implementors go for a change.
6:19
Bharat Kardak: 
 
Electoral Merit is a key word for the electoral politics. And to enhance the good leaders, we must focus on this electoral merit of each FTI member
6:19
Sandeep Badjatia: 
 
may i remind my friends here, independence came about also coz gandhi brought an awareness in people's mind about the need to be independent.. there were other factors also tho
6:19
Sandeep Badjatia: 
 
today we need such kind of awareness model
6:20
Somnath Bharti: 
 
Sandeep, independence has nohing to do with Gandhi
6:20
Shantanu: 
 
OK, let me intervene and make a few points…
 
1] First no one has a magic bullet to fix India's problems and challenges
6:20
Sanjeev Sabhlok: 
 
Vidyut, very well said: : leadership as per the reasoning in the chat we will have to wait for the goon and the sytem to clean themselves up before we enter politics…well i disagree…to unite a nation a diverse as india requires a uniting politics and not the current divisive one…and for this a leaders of high calibre are requires"
6:20
Shantanu: 
 
2] Awareness/ Education is an ESSENTIAL component of what we are trying to accomplish
6:20
Somnath Bharti: 
 
it came because Britishers had no resources available to manage this vast country
6:21
Shantanu: 
 
3] Electoral Merit – or the capability to contest and win – that is ti seize the imagination of the people so that they vote for you – is essential too
6:21
Shantanu: 
 
4] Let us stikc to the topic on hand – not corruptio, not independence movement. Thanks
6:21
[Comment From Dhiraj Khanna Khanna] 
 
Sorry, At present the aam admi want to select the persons from his own clan and community, irrespectiv of his ability ,this is a very serious concern.
6:21
sandeepshelke: 
 
@Somanath and also the fear of INA revolt was fearing them since 1945
6:21
[Comment From Vijay Shrotryia] 
 
What is the take of friends on this domain on the views of BABA RAMDEV inclined to join active politics….
6:21
[Comment From Dhiraj Bansal] 
 
@dipinder: that means 1 have to have gunda power to enter in politics
6:22
Sanjeev Sabhlok: 
 
Shantanu, the point Vidut made says it all. We need a vision, and we need to organise.
6:22
[Comment From Yogesh Shastri] 
 
Why are we not accepting the fact that change cannot be external to our lives or our jobs. We do not exhibit values like honesty or integrity in the jobs that pay us to be honest or to be integral. It has to be us to start with. If we want honest persons of integrity, we will have to become one. The change starts with you.
6:22
[Comment From Rao Raghavendran] 
 
good evening Sir. Happy republic day sir i am readingthe chat i ahsll submit my views in a moment
6:22
Somnath Bharti: 
 
we need a vision and all the good got to get together for the BAD TO STOP getting elected
6:23
Shantanu: 
 
Dhiraj Khanna: That is why we need to make them aware…
 
Yogesh: Well said. 
6:23
Sanjeev Sabhlok: 
 
Yogesh, we are interested only in public policy. All the goodness you or I want to develop internally can be done through our private projects. We need to focus on good policies in the public space. That requires HIGH QUALITY LEADERS.
6:23
Sandeep Badjatia: 
 
if you guys are planning leadership development, please do consider building leaders amongst the people & leaders not pushed down their throats…
6:23
Shantanu: 
 
Sanjeev/ Somnath: We need a vision and then we need enough of us to share that vision to go out and bring change
6:23
Dipinder Sekhon: 
 
@dhiraj " that means 1 have to have gunda power to enter in politics". No. You have to have 'PEOPLE POWER' ie a large number of people genuinely believing in you and supporting you. This is more potent than Gunda Power.
6:23
sandeepshelke: 
 
@Yogesh nice one
6:24
Shantanu: 
 
Sandeep B: Good point about pushing leaders down people's throats! That will never work, will it?!
6:24
Sanjeev Sabhlok: 
 
Sandeep B. This is not about "you guys". This is about you.
6:24
[Comment From Vijay Shrotryia] 
 
@ Sanjeev Sabhlok: pls let me know what is the ending time of this chat so that I can organize my thoughts and shoot here….
6:24
[Comment From Vijay Shrotryia] 
 
@Somnath: Yes true
6:24
[Comment From Lalatendu Dash] 
 
@Vijay,, I admire Ramdev a lot.. But not sure if he can be a good leader.. not saying he can't but just not sure
6:24
[Comment From Raviraaj Paatil] 
 
I feel that pressure groups for every single initiative needed..like Anna Hazare took up RTI
6:24
[Comment From Yogesh Shastri] 
 
And the only way to precipitate a nation wide change is to spread the awareness. Taking cue from someone who mentioned Ramdev Baba, why can't we do to politics what Ramdev Baba did to yoga!
6:25
Sanjeev Sabhlok: 
 
It is nearly midnight here (Melbourne). I'll leave in 6 minutes. Please keep in touch on my blog:https://www.sabhlokcity.com/.
6:25
Shantanu: 
 
Vijay: I am around until 645pm or therabouts…Pl do shareyour thoughts.
6:26
Shantanu: 
 
Raviraaj: Pressure groups can bring "point-change" but not fundamental reform, dont you think?
6:26
Vidyut Jain: 
 
hey guys i am off will probably read the transcript thanks
6:26
Shantanu: 
 
Yogesh: YES! We need to do to politics what Baba Ramdev did to Yoga – I amn going to use this in my meetings!! Really nice way to phrase it.
6:26
[Comment From Dhiraj Khanna Khanna] 
 
Mr. Sandeep , S. Manmohan Singh is not a leader. He is a Professional, and got the most prestigious and lucrative job in the Indion History , perhaps except after East India Company.
6:26
[Comment From Vijay Shrotryia] 
 
My concern also is on the Public Policy, Honesty and Transparency…
6:26
[Comment From Lelouch Lamperouge] 
 
good point yogesh shastriji….
6:26
[Comment From Vijay Shrotryia] 
 
thats fine…..
6:27
[Comment From Rao Raghavendran] 
 
Sanjeect Sir you are right we should have asilent revloution and there are enought good keen people who have the qualties we have to spot them and supprot them
6:27
[Comment From Vijay Shrotryia] 
 
@Sanj SABHLOK: thats fine..
6:27
[Comment From Dhiraj Bansal] 
 
i think the main challenging thing v require is REFORM IN EDUCATION SYSTEM. The only way is to create Heroes. this can be done if we educate a child right from his childhood to serve his country. We have to create extraordinary fearless leaders through education and motivation right from the day of his birth. This will be a win-win situation if we create an institution where these leaders are produced and also we will help reducing future goons since we'll teach children only from bpl area.
6:27
sandeepshelke: 
 
Leaders are the one who own the problem and start repairing it. And they do go alone they align with like minded forces on the way. Not only this the encourage to standup and fight.
6:27
[Comment From Vijay Shrotryia] 
 
I shall be sending some of my views on the issues being discussed on this forum….
6:27
Sanjeev Sabhlok: 
 
Let me summarise the key point I've been trying to make. (1) India is OUR responsiblity not just that of the goons who govern India. (2) We must rise to lead and STOP MAKING EXCUSES!
6:27
[Comment From Vijay Shrotryia] 
 
hes
6:27
Somnath Bharti: 
 
Shantanu: we need to find the binding thread to bind people, yoga was to address their illness
6:27
Bharat Kardak: 
 
We are focusing on Political Leaders and that too elected leaders. Hence, art and science of getting elected should be taught to them. Mere good work, excluding the art of Organising Election process will harm our motive…and movememnt.
6:27
sandeepshelke: 
 
@Sandeep B: we have to own it and no miracle can change it. We need to clear the mess created by our ancestors since independence.
6:28
Shantanu: 
 
Just to remind everyone…you can read the entire chat live on this link after we finish
 
http://bit.ly/Leaders1st
6:28
Sanjeev Sabhlok: 
 
Nice Dhiraj "i think the main challenging thing v require is REFORM IN EDUCATION SYSTEM. " If this is not to remain an excuse for you to avoid joining politics, then let me say that the ONLY WAY to reform the system is to form government. So rise and join FTI.
6:28
Dipinder Sekhon: 
 
@Bharat – " We are focusing on Political Leaders and that too elected leaders. Hence, art and science of getting elected should be taught to them. Mere good work, excluding the art of Organising Election process will harm our motive…and movememnt". Good point. This has to go hand in hand.
6:28
Somnath Bharti: 
 
unfortunately since independence we have been given filtered literature on our fredom struggle
6:28
[Comment From Vijay Shrotryia] 
 
@Sabhlok: Agreed 100%….. It is the responsility of all of us….
6:28
[Comment From Rao Raghavendran] 
 
ok sir now the steps to be taken yesterday one collector was burnt alive hence the troot cause is in system which make the ruler subvent to violent polictics also
6:28
Somnath Bharti: 
 
and even on ancient india
6:29
[Comment From Raviraaj Paatil] 
 
Shantanuji, lets start with pressure groups…….then we can move to reforms
6:29
Sanjeev Sabhlok: 
 
Dear Shantanu
6:30
Bharat Kardak: 
 
No pressure group worls beyond certain limits. We must be in the Power to push the right change. Leave aside the idea of pressure group….. Rising to POWER is the only solution.
6:30
[Comment From Yogesh Shastri] 
 
Dipinder, don't you think what you are suggesting might backfire on us.
6:30
Sanjeev Sabhlok: 
 
Sorry I pressed enter! Thanks for organising this. I've really enjoyed this. I would be disappointed if Sandeep B and others don't join FTI. PLEASE step forward and work together to lead India to freedom and greatness. Good night!
6:31
[Comment From Vijay Mohan] 
 
Good night Sanjeev ..
6:31
[Comment From Yogesh Shastri] 
 
Good Night Sanjeev!
6:31
Bharat Kardak: 
 
Good night Sir
6:31
sandeepshelke: 
 
@Dipinder @Bharat I agree.
6:32
Shantanu: 
 
Ok guys, let us start pulling this together…Final comments/ concluding thoughts from everyone? 
 
I promise to answer ALL the questions raised in the final comment(s) on my blog http://satyameva-jayate.org/
6:32
[Comment From Raviraaj Paatil] 
 
Vijayji, one simple initiative like uploading each n every document generated in public offices on web on daily basis will do the wonders as for as transparency is concern.
6:32
sandeepshelke: 
 
To make any change we need leaders to assemble first and then talk about strategy and plan. Without team in place no plan will be tangible
6:32
[Comment From Rao Raghavendran] 
 
is the chat going on
6:33
Umadevi Desabhotla: 
 
what is the time frame FTI looking at? To enter by 2014?
6:34
Somnath Bharti: 
 
friends, do join in great numbers the anti-corruption rally on January 30. There is sort of a wave in the country, with pressure I think that Govt may adopt the porposed Lokpal bill
6:34
Shantanu: 
 
Uma: Question notes…fuller anwer on the blog/ short answer: Hopefully by 2019 – but in reality as/when we have sufficient numbers
6:34
Shantanu: 
 
I meant, Question noted. Sorry
6:34
sandeepshelke: 
 
And to reform political system only way out is assembly of able citizens. Ability to drive the change and win. Honesty and Integrity to uphold DHARMA
6:34
[Comment From Rao Raghavendran] 
 
ssir your final comments
6:35
Dipinder Sekhon: 
 
Final Comment: The only way to reform politics, is for US – YOU and ME – to enter politics. And do this in a strategic, systematic way. If you consider yourself a leader, join Freedom Team of India.http://freedomteam.in
6:35
Shantanu: 
 
Sandeep: Very well said
6:36
Somnath Bharti: 
 
i got to go now. it was great knowing you all. good night.
6:36
Bharat Kardak: 
 
Good Night here in Sydney. See you next time, soon. Thank you all.
6:37
Piyush Gupta: 
 
While we begin this journey, we should all be clear as to what are we fighting for? For liberty? For Power? Reading some of the comments it appears that power is being sought after. That would be really old wine is new bottle.
6:37
sandeepshelke: 
 
FInal Comment# Rise, Align and Fight.
6:37
Shantanu: 
 
I hope not Piyush…
6:37
Shantanu: 
 
Great final comment Sandeep!
6:38
Bharat Kardak: 
 
No Piyush…. power is to empower comman man of India
6:38
Umadevi Desabhotla: 
 
good one @Sandeep
6:38
Bharat Kardak: 
 
Its not Personal, Its mutual.
6:38
Bharat Kardak: 
 
good night
6:38
Shantanu: 
 
Thanks all for a very lively and engaging discussion..I will keep the chat open for another 2-3 minutes…
 
Do have a look at FTI;s website (links above)..and if you are not already a part of the || Satyameva Jayate || page on facebook, please consider joining
 
https://www.facebook.com/SatyamevaJayate.FanPage
6:38
[Comment From Dhiraj Bansal] 
 
its nice to talk with to be leaders , thanks bye
6:39
[Comment From Yogesh Shastri] 
 
I have a few suggestions to make to really really make the change happen. 1) Do not look for leaders in the wrong place. The best place to look for leaders is our universities. Students have tremedous energy to precipitate change. 2) Generate awareness via a Ramdev Baba like campaign. Do for politics what he did for yoga. Popularize it. 3) At the risk of sounding fascist, create fear in hearts of those who do not fall in line or are against stated value system
6:40
Shantanu: 
 
OK guys, I have to go now…
 
Thanks for joining…
 
Jai Hind, Jai Bharat! 
 
Shantanu @ http://satyameva-jayate.org/
6:41
[Comment From Vijay Mohan] 
 
Leaders are important .. But to me even important is the message
6:41
[Comment From Vijay Mohan] 
 
The message of FREEDOM .. Which will attract Leaders. But Only leaders can spread the message
6:41
[Comment From Rao Raghavendran] 
 
jai hind thanks from india
6:41
[Comment From Yogesh Shastri] 
 
Jai Hind Jai Bharat!
6:41
[Comment From Vijay Mohan] 
 
Jai hind
6:41
[Comment From Dhiraj Bansal] 
 
final comment: earn so much so that u can educate and make a reform team for change
6:41
[Comment From Yogesh Shastri] 
 
Thank you Shantanu! You are doing a great job!
6:41
Shantanu: 
 
Thanks…appreciate all of you taking the time…
 
There is still hope!! 
 
Jai Hind!
6:41
[Comment From Dhiraj Khanna Khanna] 
 
Mr. Sekhon , A large group came in existence even before Indipendence but that was little bit orthodox, however its policies , constitution ,dedication and members were for better than most oian f the Congress members but they were not smart enough so the group is almost removed from Indian poltics by Congress Mafia. That group was R.S.S..
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