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Inviting all those who know Hinduism. Please examine Sanjay Sonawani’s draft book which demolishes the caste system

Sanjay Sonawani has published three editions of a book in Marathi on caste. He took up a project to translate it into English and sent me a draft.

I had already read his book on Vedas (Origins of the Vedic Religion: And Indus-Ghaggar Civilisation), so it was somewhat easier for me to understand his English translation. However, I had a lot of questions which Sanjay addressed.

Now, Sanjay has published the draft of that book for public comment. The book is called, How the Foreign Vedics Took Over Egalitarian Hinduism. [Download Word version here, PDF here].

I know there are a lot of really smart people who have studied Hinduism and caste. I invite them to critically examine Sanjay’s work and send him your comments. I think the book is revolutionary and if what Sanjay is saying is true, it will have huge impacts on India’s future.

A summary of Sanjay’s thesis can be found here. [Download Word document here]

I’ve been thinking about Sanjay’s work on Facebook. I’m extracting some of my thoughts on this work, below:

COMMENT 1

Vedics have not only taken over Hinduism, but now claim – through Hindutva – that Vedas arose in India.

The moment Hindus see through this massive rort, the caste system will TOTALLY DISSOLVE. And the criminal RSS gang that is further distorting India’s history will DISAPPEAR.

There is finally some hope for the oppressed – through Sanjay Sonawani’s brilliant research.

COMMENT 2

The British saw the Indian caste system as a single mountain, but under a haze.

Sanjay Sonawani has shown that caste is a series of mountain ranges and the view the British saw was incorrect.

Sanjay’s studies can be likened to those of a scientist who significantly advances the frontiers of human knowledge.

COMMENT 3

The sloka regarding the creation of the varnas is single most audacious statement made by anybody in the history of mankind. This must be ranked as the greatest gamble ever! And it worked. Ha ha!

The Hindus got suckered, hook, line and sinker!

One must retain the possibility that all this took place accidentally, not by design. But the net result is massively amusing.

COMMENT 4

The great trick of the Vedic religion was to attack the head of the entire Hindu society, and install itself in a position higher than anybody had in that society. The rest was easy.

Today the confusion in the minds of the average Hindu is so acute that they cannot distinguish how they have been taken for a ride!

This is perhaps the greatest take-overs of any society by stealth in the history of mankind.

I’m greatly tickled! – some smart guys, the Vedics.

Or it is the greatest accidental accomplishment in the world.

COMMENT 5

Vedic religion can be compared with cuscuta, which strangles the tree it parasites.

Plus a few of my previous blog posts, for those who have been following this line of thought.

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6 thoughts on “Inviting all those who know Hinduism. Please examine Sanjay Sonawani’s draft book which demolishes the caste system
  1. Raj

    It may call into question what indigenous really means.

    Genetics will help ya here Sanjeev.

    The Indus Valley Civilisation, for instance, is believed to have a script that may arguably be Old Tamil. It is here the first instances of Shiva-worship was found too. Which is also perhaps why Shaivism is extremely popular in the Tamil country.

    It includes festivals like ‘Thaipusam’ which involves body piercings and self-flagellation. Stuff like Jallikatu (now banned) which is bull taming.

    I do believe these are distinct practices that emerged over time. These are very likely Dravidian practices.

    But that does ask for who the Dravidians were? It’s complicated. And you have repeatedly mentioned the Dravidians are indigenous to India which is again, neither proved but very likely though.

    I’m of the view both Dravidain languages and modern-day Dravidian genetics are *largely* indigenous.

    However, modern-day Dravidians, like Northerners are a very mixed lot. Genetic studies help here which largely point to Y-haplogroups J and L dominating in Western Tamil Nadoo among the ruling castes.

    Inscriptions on the Indus Valley finding do show a Mediterranean-looking people too. Hypothesised to be Elamites from modern-day Iraq — which leads ya to the Y-haplogroups J and L — BOTH of which are Middle-Eastern genes.

    Nevertheless, the number of Caucasians that came Southwards (TN in particular, were largely those of Middle Eastern origin) were *probably not* large enough to create a change in the language of the region they arrived at.

    Brahmins are the only known ones of somewhat Indo-European origin here.

    So, who are indegenous Indians? The ones living here for over 70,000 years — in their unmixed form — you find them in the Andaman Islands and they speak a language called “Onge”.

    It is not a Dravidian language. And neither do they look like Southerners.

    So, modern-day Dravidian culture (speaking for Tamil here) has for a good part, *come* to India arguably from somewhere in the Middle East as corroborated by the genetics found there. Shiva-worship and other peculiar rituals are likely not those of people who’d been living here for 70,000 years.

    Intermixing created a new people but the invaders numbers were probably not large enough to change the language, so Dravidian languages survive. One Dravidian language — Brahui — is found in Pakistan. Though I think they still are indigenous though.

    THEN, after the invading horde which brought with them Shiva and other peculiarly Tamil rituals — came Indo-Europeans.

    Like the invading Elamite horde assimilated local prevalent religions with their own. Indo-Europeans, likewise, adopted the now present Shiva and other rituals, which had already been mixed with the indigenous practices.

    You are repeatedly erring claiming Shiva and all to be indigenous, even genetic lines show that the paternal line of Tamils are Caucasian while the maternal lines have largely been native.

    So that may be an explanation. But Shiva is no indigenous God. He is the Lord of the residents of Indus and Harrapa who gradually moved southwards until they reached the very bottom. Surely, they mixed a heck of a lot, but the local language, survived.

    And Vedic religion by the time you can call it that, had inculcated a lot of nature-worship and all. Pure fire-worship is Avestan — modern day Iran, not India.

    The Vedas is a product of Indo-European arrivals who have been rather mixed by the time it was written. Sanskrit, for instance, sounds nothing like Pashto which might help to be an indicator.

    Hinduism is a mix of Vedism and Shaivaite culture — calling Old Shaivate culture as Hinduism — is obviously nonsense. Old Shaivaite culture is egalitarian, not Hinduism.

    Hinduism =/= Old Shaivaite culture. Hinduism is a modern-day net-result. Hinduism as we know didn’t exist back then but likely 2 separate philosophies with perhaps their own Gods and ideas.

    Sanjeev, some huge errors here. The Vedics weren’t white and the locals weren’t indigenous when this event occured. Avestan is claimed as Vedic religon and Old Shavism as Hinduism.

    And again, caste is a racial hierarchy. White on top, black bottom. I’m certain you have folks in your extended family to be creamish in color, just as I do. If that is not an indicator good enough, what is?

     
  2. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    I wouldn’t have published this since obviously you’ve not read the book. I won’t be wasting time on reading this.

    I would henceforth publish only specific rebutals and refutaions regarding specific paras in the book. Please do some work to read before putting out stuff.

     
  3. Abhishek Mali

    I think calling Vaidik supremacists religion entirely foreign will be injustice to factual history. Because there is no exact stagnation point in history where structuring of any religion had fully completed and it became a rigid one. Introduction of any new concept due to developments in other socio-political structure generates dynamics in religion.

     
  4. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    This is a highly scientific piece of research. Your opinion is irrelevant to the science, to the truth.

    I DID NOT ASK FOR OPINIONS. If you have time to provide detailed feedback, do so, else don’t waste my time.

     
  5. Amit Sethi

    There is a very interesting book whose excerpts I read on Google books. It is called “How the Brahmins won: from Alexander to the Guptas”. One of the key thesis is that they planted mythology in which Brahmins never seek power like a king does, but if you cross them they can even destroy kings.

     
  6. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    Excellent, the book is ridiculously expensive but I found a PDF on Researchgate and have uploaded it here.

    Also an article by the same author, here.