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Two Indian doctors rip apart the Ayurveda system as irrational, illogical, superstitious, supernatural

Addendum – just a note about the IDIOTS who preach Ayurveda:

 

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PHARMACOVIGILANCE OF AYURVEDA: QUESTIONING ITS EFFICACY

1Dr Dinesh Kumar Jain*, 2Dr Rajkumar Arya

1Associate Professor, Department of Pharmacology, Bundelkhand Medical College Sagar (MP), India.

2Associate Professor, Department of Pharmacology ,Gajra Raja Medical College Gwalior (MP), India.

What is Ayurveda

Ayurveda is an irrational, unscientific therapeutic system and illogical, superstitious life style; represents Indian psyche and Indian culture including use of herbs, metals, diet, panchkarma, astrology, incantations, hymns, religion, rituals, amulets (totaka), mantra-tantra; concepts of supernatural force, spirits and rebirth to improve health and cure diseases by maintaining concentration of vata, pitta and kapha in the body. According to section (3) of Drugs and Cosmetics act1, 1940, Ayurvedic drugs include all medicines intended for internal or external use for or in the diagnosis, treatment, mitigation or prevention of [disease or disorder in human beings or animals and manufactured] exclusively in accordance with the formulae described in the authoritative books of Ayurveda, specified in the first schedule. These books are 57 in numbers. Important books are : Ayurveda Prakasha, Ayurveda Samgraha, Bhaishajya Ratnavali, Bharat Bhaishajay Ratnakara, Bhava Prakasha, Brihat Nighantu Ratnakara, Charaka Samhita, Chakra Datta, Nighantu Ratnakara, Rasa RajaSundara, Rasaratna Samuchaya, Rasa Tarangini, Sharangadhara Samhita, Siddha Yoga Samgraha, Sushruta Samhita, Basava Rajeeyam, Ayurvedic Formulary of India, Ayurveda Sara Sangraha, Ayurvedic Pharmacopoeia of India. Whatever mentioned in these Ayurvedic books can be manufactured, marketed and used therapeutically without any scientific evaluation in India.

Main Principles Of Ayurveda

In Ayurveda, origin of diseases is due to the disturbance of equilibrium of vata (wind), pitta (bile), kapha (phlegm) in the body. Diseases being supposed to be caused by derangements of the humours. Removing or calming the excess humour, is the main objective of the treatment. Diseases are also divided in to asthenic and sthenic respectively caused by depletion or repletion of the humours and are treated with remedies having an opposite effect. The action of drugs may result either in an increase or excitation of the humours or in soothing them. In diseases these humours are either increased or decreased. In Ayurveda, plants, metals, climates, seasons, physical activities are divided in to two groups. They increase or decrease imaginary humours.

The remedies in Ayurveda are divided according to their action on humours, into those (1) which remove the collection of bad humours from the body by panchkarma namely emesis, catharsis, cranial catharsis, enema and blood letting (2) which calm down the excited action of humours without promoting their excretion or discharge. “Sitting on elephant and horse increases pitta and vata. Laborious work decreases kapha. Sleep reduces pitta. Vomiting reduces kapha. Cap and hat on the head reduce vata and Kapha. Dew increases vata and kapha. Darkness reduces pitta and kapha. Sleep reduces pitta. Oil massage reduces vata.

Emesis reduces kapha. Person is sensitive for kapha-dosh in beginning of night, for pitta-dosh in mid night and for vata-dosh in the end of night. Person is sensitive for cough-dosh during childhood, for pitta-dosh during young age and for vata-dosh in old age. Urine of goat reduces vata, pitta, kapha. Urine of cow decreases vata, pitta but increase kapha. Urine of elephant decreases vata but increases pitta and kapha. Urine of horse reduces kapha, pitta but increases vata. Strong sunrays reduce kapha and increase vata. Spring season intensifies kapha but garden, flowers and young females reduce kapha. Autumn season intensifies pitta. Early winter reduces pitta. Rains intensifies vata.

Various plants also reduce or increase these humours. BIJORA, HARAD, SONTH, PIPRAMUL reduce Kaph. CHIRAYATA, NEEM, PIPAR, KACHUR, SONTH, SATAVAR, GILDY KATERI reduce Kapha. PITTAPAPARA, NAGARMOTHA, GILOY, SONTH, CHIRAYATA mixture reduce Vata and Pitta. GILOY, ANDI, ATUSA reduce vata. CHOTI ILAYACHI, PHOOL PRIYANGOO, NAGAR-MOTHA, BER, PIPAL, CHANDAN, LONG, NAGKESAR MIXTURE reduce vata, pitta,”2 In this way plants are classified in to groups arbitrarily. This classification is not based on reasons, systems or logics.

This excess vata, pitta, kapha are expelled from the body by emesis, purgation, enema and impure excess blood by blood letting. Leech and venesection are used for blood letting. Blood letting is used in leprosy, swelling, tumors, eczema, eye diseases, syphilis, liver diseases, spleen diseases, weakness in organs, foul-smelling, sleeping disorders, fever, excess lacrimation, goitre, lymph node swelling around neck.

According to Ayurveda, excess use, misuse, & absence of use of sensory and motor activities in the body also contribute in origin of disease. Many plants are used in Ayurveda to induce emesis, purgation and enema to reduce excess accumulated humours in the body. Anger of God, spirits, sins of previous birth, and entry of spirit in the body also cause diseases and for their treatment, worships, prayers, rituals, amulets, charms are advised. Tantra and totaka are also advised in Ayurveda. “In treatment of epilepsy a string, used for hanging, is burnt and ash is taken with cold water”3 Suppression of the urges for urination, defecation, seminal discharge, flatus, vomiting, eructation, hunger, lacrimation, sleep and deep breathing after exercise are directly responsible for many diseases in Ayurveda. Atharvada is one of the basic source of origin of Ayurveda. The Atharveda deals mainly with witchcraft and magic spells by which enemies and demons could be destroyed. Application of medicines is also accompanied by charms, incantations and magic.

Representative Contents Of Ayurveda, Mentioned In Standard Books

Representative contents of Ayurveda are being given here to show what actually Ayurveda is ? These examples are not exceptions. Ayurveda is based completely on such type of directions. According to Ayurveda, the “source of knowledge of Ayurveda is Brahma. Daksa Prajapati the progenitor first obtained the science of life in its entirety as promulgated by Brahma, the great creator and from him, in turn, the Aswin twins the God Sakra (Indra) acquired it.” It indicates knowledge of Ayurveda has been given by Brahma. This belief of devine origin hindered the progress of science because nobody could dare question against Ayurveda.

1. Ayurveda Directs An Illogical, Irrational Life Style.

Ayurveda says- “A woman during menstruation should avoid laughing, weeping, excess speaking, laborious work, use of oil, bath, daytime sleep, running etc. She should sit silently in a corner of room. She should not see her husband during menstruation. If menstruating woman will not take such precautions, her children will suffer with diseases”.

2.Ayurveda also directs normal persons.

“Avoid to take sleep during day time. Do not see your image in water. Never enter in water nacked. Do not eat curd in the night. Never give freedom to women and never believe them. By doing excess sexual acts, cough, fever, respiratory problems, weakness, jaundice, tuberculosis etc originate.”

3. Ayurveda gives idiotic concepts about origin of metals.

Ayurveda tells, “After seeing beautiful ladies, Agnideva became excited, his semen fell on the earth and became gold. Copper was originated from semen of Kartikay. Silver was originated from the tears of left eye of Mahadeva. Lead was originated from semen of vasukinag. Continuous use of lead gives power like elephant, cures diseases, prolongs life and delays death. Mercury was originated from semen of shiva. Mercury destroys vata, pitta, kapha and cures all diseases”.

4. Ayurvedic concept of fever is ridiculous.

According to this system, “fever was originated from breath of Mahadeva in anger when he was insulted by Prjapati. Anger increases pitta so those plants and activities should be advised which reduce pitta. In fever, worship of Mahadeva is advised. Fever produced by an evil spirit should be managed by torture and worship. Fever induced by stars should be

treated by charity, worship and chanting”5. “Wearing auspicious stones, herbs and certain poisons one secures immunity to attack of fever, according to Ayurveda. By worshiping Vishnu, Brahma, Indra, Agni, Himalaya, Ganga, one conquers fever. By the repetition of prayers, performance of sacrifices and charities, by listening to the recitation of the vedas and by seeing holy people, one soon gets cured of fever”4

5. Causes and treatments of insanity described in Ayurveda is completely unscientific, illogical and represents lack of knowledge

“Possession by the gods, sages, Gandharvas, and the failure in the discharge of observances and vows in the life or previous one are the causes of insanity. The man who evinces superhuman power should be regarded as having the insanity, born of spirit possession. The gods etc. enter invisibly and suddenly in to the body of a man by their innate power. Burnt offering, wearing of magical herbs and talismans, customary rites and austerities, by propitating the gods, cows, brahmanas and the teachers as well as charms and medicines should be used. These patients can be managed by massage, vomiting, diarrhoea; application of heated iron, water, oil on the body surface; whip-lash in lonely house, bite by toothless snakes, terrorizing by lions and elephants and by insulting patients.”5

6. Causes and treatment of tuberculosis and leprosy in Ayurveda also indicates inaccuracy of this system

“Suppression of wind expelled from anus, suppression of urination, fasting, jealous thoughts, excess food, absence of food, food taken at irregular time, lift heavy weight, speak loudly, swimming in large rivers, running with horse, rapid dance, excess attraction towards female are causes of tuberculosis. It is also mentioned in Ayurveda, if tuberculosis patients are suffering from diarrhoea or swelling in testes or swelling in abdomen, should not be treated. Tuberculosis patients should be managed by panchkaram”5 “Causes of leprosy are disrespect to brahmins and teachers, eating milk with fish, eating curd with milk, suppression of emesis and urination, exercise after heavy meals. Leprosy is cured by applying HARAD, KARANJ, SARSO, HALDI, BAVCHI, SENDHA NAMAK, and YAYVIANG after mixing and grinding in cow urine.”5

7. Causes and treatment of diseases in children, as mentioned in Ayurveda, are 1. Children of those families suffer with diseases where fore-fathers, gods, brahmans, teachers, ascetics, and guests are not worshipped and welcome and in the families where food is taken in broken utensils of bronze. Mahadeva directed BALGRAH (A spirit) to create diseases in children of such families.

2. For treatment in diseases of children, use smokes of these substances after mixing & burning (SANP KE KANCHULI, LAHSUN, CHURANHAR, GHEE, NEEM KE PATTE, BILAV KI VISTHA, BAKARI KE ROAM, MEDASHINGI, VACH SAHAT], worship BALGRAH and use hymn and disenchant to cure diseases in children.

Management of delayed labour according to Ayurveda

(1) Give fumes of burning of slought of black snake around vagina. (2) Apply fumes of MANFAL around vagina. (3) Tie roots of KALIHARI around hand or feet.            (4) Put dry head of dead cow in the house. (5) Tie roots of sugar-cane around waist of female. These all procedures are beneficial for quick delivery.

1. In Ayurveda, many plants are used without scientific basis in treatment of one disease, which is illogical and irrational. For example in one treatment “INDRAYAN, NAGARMOTHA, SONTH, DANTI, JANGI, HARAD, NISOTH, KACHUR, BAYVIANG, GOKHRU, CHITE KI CHHAL TEJBAL, JAMIKAND, VIGHARA, BHILAWE, MIRACH, PIPAL, AANWALA, DALCHINI are used in combination”

2. In the management of snake poisoning. Ayurveda says – “In the cases of snake-bite, patient should bite same snake for the treatment. Hymns and charms are more beneficial to patients of snake-bite than drug treatment. In cases of other poison, patients should be bitten by snake to antagonize effect of one poison by another poison. Blood letting is also a part of management of poisoning”

3. “In VAJIKARAN, a treatment to increase sexual power, (A) eat testes of goat. (B) eat eggs of crab, tortoise or crocodile and drink semen of goat, buffalo, or bull.”

4. Highly poisonous plants are used in Ayurveda in toxic doses. “Ayurveda also advises to eat fruits of BHILAWAN, one or two daily, then increase gradually up to 70 fruits daily to cure leprosy and piles and to increase age up to 100 years. One thousand fruits of BHILAWAN can be taken in treatment”6 But what is the reality ? “Taken in larger doses, it produces blisters on the throat and severe gastrointestinal irritation followed in some cases by impending fear of death, dyspnoea, tachycardia, hypotension, cyanosis, dilated pupil, delirium, coma and death within 12 to 24 hours. More than 5 gram of BHILAWAN is

considered a toxic dose. It is considered that 144 grains of the juice of BHILAWAN to be fatal dose. There are many reported cases of death who had taken BHILAWAN fruits orally or apply locally”7 “Similary in Ayurveda, KUCHLA is advised in the treatment of many diseases”8 but it is fatal to humans.

5. One plant is used in many diseases in Ayurveda. One very typical aspect of Ayurveda is that each and every plant, has therapeutic utility. Some plants are being used in many diseases in Ayurveda irrespective of accuracy. “NEEM, Indian Lilac, (Azadi rachta Indica) is used in skin diseases, eczema, small pox, piles, ysentery, plague, fever, malaria, ysentery, leprosy, asthma, cholera, ysentery, muscular injury, abscess, worms infestation, ear infections, eye diseases, nasal bleeding, menstruation problems, paralysis, joint pain, scorpion bite, snake poison, opium poison, syphilis, night blindness, etc.”8

6. Ayurveda also “directs use of tantra-mantra”9. Following are typical examples. (1) In one treatment, tie around neck or waist, nose of Jackal, tongue of crow, umblicus of pig, bronze, mercury, snake poison, and bone of frog.

  1. Take stool of pigeon mix with water of boiled rice in the treatment of menorrhagia.
  2. In diseases of children, where fever, loss of appettite, loss of sleep, loss of desire of milk, complaint of weeping are symptoms. Following mantras are used :
  1. OHM NAMO NARAYANAY AMUKASYA VYADHI HUN HUN MUNCH MUNCH HWE FAT SWAHA.
  2. OHM NAMO NARAYANAY AMUKASHYA VYADHI CHURNAYA CHURNAYA HUN HUN SWAHA

Questions against efficacy of Ayurveda

There are many facts which raise questions against efficacy of Ayurveda –

1. Ayurveda has been originated from Brahm, which indicates philosophical origin. Ayurveda did not take origin by scientific study.

2. Use of hymns, incantations, astrology, religion, in treatment has been discarded today completely. These are primitive concepts, indicate lack of scientific knowledge.

3. The concept of vata, pitta, kapha is not proved by present knowledge of medical science. Principles of Ayurveda are irrational, illogical, unscientific and not based on clinical controlled study. Explanations of Ayurveda are not supported by knowledge of anatomy, physiology, pathology, histology, clinical pharmacology and medicine. Natural urges should not be suppressed as rightly told by Ayurveda but these suppression are not responsible for origin of diseases as wrongly mentioned in Ayurveda. These wrong basic principles have been followed by Ayurveda in its whole literature.

4. Descriptions about (A) origin of metals (B) Causes and treatment of fever, tuberculosis, leprosy, (C) management of delayed labour and snake poisoning (D) Vajikaran, as mentioned in this article are very ridiculous. All Ayurvedic books contain such type of irrational and illogical basis. Such Ayurveda should be discarded for the welfare of human-beings and world.

5. Combination of herbs are used in Ayurveda without isolating and identifying active ingredients. Without knowing active ingredients, knowledge of absorbtion, metabolism, route of administration and knowledge of doses and relation between doses and toxicity is not possible. Dose related responses can not be measured. Therefore assessment of accurate therapeutic utility of Ayurvedic substance is not possible.

6. Different isomers of drug have different pharmacological actions and different therapeutic uses. But according to Ayurveda, single herb can be used in twenty or thirty diseases. It is against the rules of evolution. Evolution gives specificity to different organs of body having different affinity to different chemical molecules.

7. Regarding herbal remedies, “Following queries are raised”10 – (1) These preparations are difficult to standardize, nor can one be sure of their pharmacological activities (2) It is almost impossible to test for the presence of the ingredients mentioned in the herbal preparation (3) The heral combinations offered and dose recommended are not supported by any scientific data. (4) Tall claims are made about their efficacy without adequate scientific data. (5) Herbal remedies previously thought to be innocuous are known to be potentially toxic.

8. It is wrong to say that Ayurvedic substances have no adverse effects. “Canada, United Kingdom, and Singapur have banned the sale of Indian Ayurvedic medicines in their country claiming that they contain high levels of metals like lead and mercury and arsenic posing grave health risks”11,12,13. “Since 1978 more than 80 cases of lead poisoning associated with Ayurvedic medicine use have been reported world wide.”14 “Seventy Ayurvedic medicines manufactured in South Asia and sold in Boston, Massachusetts, stores in 2003, it is found that 20% contained lead, mercury and/or arsenic”15. “One-fifth of both US-manufactured and India- manufactured Ayurvedic medicines purchased via the internet contain detectable lead, mercury, or arsenic.”16

9. “One well reputed pharmaceutical company in India had established research and development unit to get scientific support for herbal medicines. But after continuous work for eight years, research unit has been closed because beneficial results were not obtained.” It was a great disillusionment with the herbal medicines.

10. “In United States of America, herbal medicines have been regulated under the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act (DSHEA) of 1940. According to this act, herbal medicines are not evaluated by the FDA and these products are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent diseases.”

11. In the absence of sufficient knowledge of anatomy, physiology, pathology, clinical pharmacology, drug action was based on mere speculation associated with the humoral or similar doctrines. In beginning, all over the world, this was the state of knowledge. In the 16th century, knowledge developed by Vesalius, Harvey, Morgagni and others led to the collapse of the humoral theory. “As the result of these additions to knowledge, based on observations and experiments, new concepts replaced the old speculative doctrines in Europe, while in India the old concepts persist even today as a “system” and instead of being replaced by the newer knowledge, are obstinately held firmly and now a vain attempt is being made to tag on to the old concept the new ones. Thus a medical “system” consisting of incompatibles and partly contradictory views is being advocated and maintained with the Government help for “patriotic” reasons, creating a sort of intellectual dishonesty among the students of the system and leading to confusion of the lay pubic and a great dissipation of the national resources”19. Ignorance and silence of medical personnel regarding this crucial concept indicate their cheating towards society and science. Promotion of this unscientific and useless Ayurveda indicates crime of pharmacologists and medicine specialists. It is very surprising that our academic bodies encourage and support the unscientific policy by establishment faculties for the study of such obsolete ideas.

12. “A ban on the cell of Ayurvedic and other herbal medicines will take effect across Europe from May 1st, 2011 following a European Union directive introduced as a response to growing concern over adverse effects of such alternative medicines. After the ban comes into effect only high quality, long established and scientifically safe herbal medicines will be sold over the counter.”

Study of efficacy is a part of pharmacovigilance

“Good pharmacovigilance practice refers to carefully planned and executed pharmacovigilance activities to minimize toxicity and maximize beneficial effects of drugs and biologicals”.21 Unfortunately there is still a confusion on the work of pharmacovigilance. Pharmacologists think that pharmacovigilance is concerned only with the side effects and toxic effects. It is wrong. “Adverse drug reaction or an adverse reaction means a response to a medicine in the humans or animals, which is noxious and unintended, including lack of efficacy and which occurs at any dosage and can also result from an overdose, misuse or abuse of a medicine.” Study of efficacy of a substance or a therapeutic system should be the first step of pharmacovigilance. Without sufficient scientific support of efficacy for a system of therapeutics, there should not be any discussion and study of toxic effects, otherwise it will be wastage of time, energy and money and it will create only confusion in medical science.

Duty of pharmacologists and medicine specialists

“Pharmacologists and other medicine specialists are talking of adverse reactions of Ayurvedic preparations in the pharmacovigilance”. They never discuss efficacy of Ayurvedic substances. Without clear-cut evidence of efficacy, discussion of adverse effects of Ayurveda is giving wrong massage to Government and society that Ayurveda is efficacious therapeutic system. What we have discussed about contents of Ayurvedic books in this article, clearly indicates that Ayurveda is irrational, illogical, unscientific and useless. Therefore, it is our duty to explore and discuss efficacy of Ayurveda first. We have to protect the society from the dangers being caused by unscientific and useless therapeutic systems. Crores of rupees are being spent on Ayurvedic medical colleges, physicians of Ayurveda and manufacture of drugs. Due to use of ineffective drugs, tuberculosis, leprosy, malaria and other curable diseases are spreading dangerously. Ayurveda is also misguiding the public and society and increasing morbidity and mortality because it is interfering in application of modern medical science. Central Government has power to prohibit manufacture and distribution of drugs. According to chapter 4A, section 33 EED of Drugs and Cosmetic Act 1940, if the central government is satisfied on the basis of any evidence or other material available before it that the use of any Ayurvedic, Siddha or Unani drug is likely to involve any risk to humans or animals or that any such drug does not have the therapeutic value claimed or purported to be claimed for it and that in the public interest, it is necessary or expedient so to do then that government may by notification in the official Gazette, prohibit the manufacture, sale or distribution of such drugs. Drugs and Cosmetics act 1940; also gives protection to those persons who provide evidence against useless therapeutics system to Government. According to section, 37 of this act, no suit, prosecution or other legal proceeding shall lie against any person for any thing, which is in good faith done or intended to be done under this act.

Sanjeev Sabhlok

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45 thoughts on “Two Indian doctors rip apart the Ayurveda system as irrational, illogical, superstitious, supernatural
  1. Kishan Sharma

    I had stopped posting comments on this blog more than 2 years back due to many stupid posts here.
    This also is not a comment but an information that may be useful or even save some life/lives.
    My next door neighbor’s son Rahul Manav age 37 was suffering from an incurable disease (I forget the name, my memory is becoming weaker due to old age) in which white blood cells that fight disease were attacked and killed by the body itself.His whole body was swollen. He became so weak that he could not even getup from bed without help.His homoglobin count had come down to 6, white cell count also was extremely low.Apollo Hospital after trying their best told him to go home, keep taking 80 mg steroids per day & count his days. It was around May 2011. I had started treatment for my Ankylosing Spondilytis from an Ayurvedic doctor ( His name is Dr Akhawry Shankar from Ranchi, he comes to Delhi in the second fortnight of every month) in February 2011. This doctor claimed to treat so many diseases with just one treatment. And the treatment is that he applies an oil to the entire spine, keeps it for just about a minute and wipes it off with a dry towel, that’s all the treatment. So, after this boy had come home & was counting his days, it just occurred to me to suggest to them to try that Ayurvedic doctor also. And they were in such a state of mind that they could have gone to even a witch doctor if that could give them hope. So they went to the doctor. It was May 2011.Doctor started treatment, and within a month the boy was able to walk and in the month of August he was able to join back his job in Singapore. Repeated blood tests now show no trace of the anti-bodies that caused the disease.Even Singapore doctors are amazed at the miracle. Dr Akhawry Shankar claims to have treated another similar case there after. It’s a different matter that my Ankylosing Spondilytis has only partially become slightly better. Dr Akhawry Shankar calls his treatment gene therapy. The oil that he applies contains stem cells from some medicinal plant that he has discovered in Jharkhand.His phone number is 09871189176. My point is that Ayurveda is not all woo-doo as some motivated anti-Hindus may like us to believe.

     
  2. ramesh

    Thanks Sabhlok for information on Ayurveda. It just reinforced further my faith in Ayurveda and Hindu philosophy that knowledge should always be shared as per qualification one possesses and that never equally!

    Freedom and liberty of unqualified ones will be the cause of destruction, if any, of the humanity! Just you need to agree and know that there exists such a thing like ‘unqualified ones’!

    Thanks once more!

     
  3. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    Indeed, any knowledge needs to be PROVEN. That requires qualifications in science and statistics that 99.99999999999 per cent of the “Hindu” philosophy types (like you?) don’t have.

     
  4. Anonymous

    Dear Sir,

    What a great article! Many such articles should be created. I was not able to access the original article in PDF. Needless to say that it must have been removed by the journal itself because many weak people live in India.

    I am very much thankful to you for showing courage to put articles related to these controversial topics! But let me assure you that this is of great help to people who are willing to learn Ayurveda and are not aware that they may waste their time, money and energy and will destroy health of people around them only to convince themselves that their decision was not wrong which is wrong in my opinion.

    Thanks and best regards to you sir!

    Unfortunately I cannot disclose my name as I am afraid of attacks by Ayuredic people.

    Thanks.

     
  5. Kapil

    It all relative. A person suffering from a disease will go to any length to make sure the disease gets cured. A person with focused knowledge only in one direction is not able to open up his/her mind to something which has been followed for thousands of years.
    Also it should always e considered that allopathy is a hit an trial method. If one medicine doesn’t work then the doctor prescribe for the other one, and then another one. Plus with every medicine being developed, be it for diabetes, depression or any disease, has side effects. However, Ayurveda does not have any side effects. It’s all herbal product.
    Doctors just need to open up their mind that Ayurveda is not taking their business away; it’s there to cure people in a cheaper way and make them healthier.
    Not denying that some emergency cases will definitely need medicines, but if a person keeps on taking Ayurveda and follow Yoga then definitely that person will live a healthier life than someone taking medicines.

    Any doctor reading this please explain if medicines are so great in curing diseases then why are there major side effects to them? If your science is so advanced then why can’t you develop something which is free from side effects?

     
  6. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    No one is claiming (least of all me) that allopathic medicine is perfect. I have criticised it on numerous occasions for major failures.

    The main issue to recognise is that there is a strong empirically tested logic behind allopathy, which is entirely missing in ayurveda.

    That’s the only point there. People are, of course, welcome to do whatever they like, so long as they know the risks.

     
  7. Dr. sangram

    Kishan sharma after reading your comment i can only say that u know nothing about medicine and science…so kindly keep your neighbors knowledge to ur self and give something scientific like authentic clinical trials….tell ur ayurvedic doctor to perform a clinical trial and submit his findings in medical journals…he will never do that….stem cells from plant my foot…idiots.

     
  8. Amit Nakanekar

    This is wrong article. You can go to pubmed or web of science or Scopus for many scientific evidences of Ayurveda treatment.
    Please don’t mis guide people.

     
  9. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    No one is saying that all medicines in Ayurveda are bad. But ONLY those that are proven to work using modern science are valid – and that’s almost a tiny insignificant fraction. Most of Ayurveda is mere placebo, and that’s simply not good enough. Let’s just have one science – proven science.

     
  10. Bapu

    Its a bias study with an predetermined conclusion. Data has not been collected randomly from various Ayurvedic compendia. The title has been selected just to create a controversy and get a publicity. As well as the credentials of this Journal is not so good. Any finding may be positive or negative but but should not be manipulated with selected data.

     
  11. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    You are most welcome to provide alternative references from world-class science journals. Else, this is the truth – and as far as I’m aware, the theory of ayurveda is pure bunkum.

     
  12. What Healthcare needs

    Dear authors, the admissions to BAMS course are done after 12th science and entrance examination based on physics, chemistry and biology. The course is taught in the classrooms and bedside and not in gurukulas. The patients who come to such hospitals are coming from the present age, from all stratas of society whether literate or illiterate. Even after this if you believe that students of BAMS practice according in your posted references like fever is caused by the anger of Shiva and that everything in ayurvedic texts is blindly followed by the students of this course then you need to dig deeper into the world of sanity. Ayurveda is very old, centuries have gone by and they cannot be changed because they are scriptures. What can change is to not believe everything written without a rational approach, which is currently in use by the students of ayurveda. Lastly, do not try to make zombies from the dead.

     
  13. Dr ravneet

    ayurveda should learn from these educationlists to improve and cooperate with each ayuvedist positively, these people are protected with their authorities but we ayurveda people does not care . So it is a lesson for our improvement. Jaago……

     
  14. Yash

    Hello
    I will start answering one by one acc to my knowledge.
    But before that just do some things
    Read full Ayurveda after learning of sanskrit.,so u don’t need any author to translate it.
    Now point was Ayurveda was told by brahma…Right but read it again and full..

    The Rishimunis from all around the world was gathered. To find the solution of health issues of people.
    After some talking,they were confirmed that Indra is the person that he could help us.
    And Bhardwaj was selected to go to Indra.
    Indra told him that the solution was came from brahma to prajapati to ashwin kumaras to him.
    And he gave three words to him.Hetu Linga Ashadhi.
    Means
    Find the cause
    Observe the symptoms
    Cure it with medicines.

    Bhardwaj came return to the meeting of rishis…Then they studied,examined and confirmed after very long siddhant making process ,given in the samhitas… So it is not a myth or only indian cultured or only Hindu methodology.

    U only show a small part of the story and misguide the people.

    All the points you wrote about showing worst in Ayurveda.,are a part of the whole stories….Just go through the full film first..Then decide the villain or hero..

    Don’t try to get publicity with this type of efforts.

    I have lot to talk but I just point out u the way to gain truth…Try again sir

     
  15. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    There you go – peddling mythologies and nonsense to “prove” your point. “Ayurveda was told by brahma” I stopped reading after that since you merely confirmed the idiocy of the proponents of Ayurveda.

    Real science is DRAMATICALLY different – please don’t mislead Indians with this “spiritual” nonsense. Get real and study real science.

     
  16. Dr Ashwini Lavanya M S

    This only shows people have started feeling insecured with the growth of ayurveda….😀😀….good for ayurveda people though….But you cannot destroy ayurveda with all these petty articles….though Allopathy has NO treatment for any disease….. At least we can cure certainly … even surgery what they claim as an answer has the roots from ayurveda (Sushrutha is the father of surgery)….you cannot prove ayurveda completely as well. Atleast not people like you…..it needs a completely different vision…pls understand folks… Ayurveda is sacred as almighty as you cannot prove the supernatural power which is also illogical ….etc as our beloved drs have told…so is Ayurveda….you can only experience it….not prove….,😊😊

     
  17. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    Actually, comments like yours CONFIRM 100 per cent that Ayurveda is PURE NONSENSE. You can’t prove but want people to believe!! What utter rubbish.

     
  18. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    Sorry, I need REAL SCIENTIFIC ARTICLES, not superstitious JUNK. I’m sorry, you guys really need to learn some basics of science and critical thinking.

     
  19. Dr Anupama Patra

    Namaste Sanjeev Sabhlok sir. Being a Ayurved doctor I want to say few truth regarding Ayurveda. You may or may not accept it, it’s your choice. In a single sentence Ayurved is a complete, developed and ultimate medical science, based on truth and created by lord Bramha before the creation of human being. It is not only a medical science but have solutions for every problems of life so it is a life science.
    Of course the knowledge you have collected about ayurveda is in adulterated form. Without removing the adulterated part it is difficult to prove it’s scientific value. It is the only science through which India can lead among all countries. Being an Indian it is also part of your responsibility to prove the scientific value of this most enriched and most neglected medical science without blaming it with partial knowledge.
    I am trying to give appropriate answers of this article through a article. If you do not want to help this science, please wait for few more years to know about its scientific value. If India cannot prove this any of foreign country definitely going to prove this. Ayurved is based on truth so truth cannot be hidden for longer period.

     
  20. Sadik Khan

    If the authors of this articles are genuinely interested in understanding ayurveda, I welcome them for a free debate. But this prejudiced ill informed and ignorant potrayal of a vast science of ayurveda by few badly illustrated examples shows that the attitude of the articles is mudslinging rather than a serious concern. Inaccuracies and misconceptions are part of every science like it is in Ayurveda. Allopathy has its own share of ghost and unexplained phenomenons, maybe they are just smart that in those cases they let the patient suffer rather taking efforts to explain the cause of disease and try and cure it with whatever means possible. If I selectively post the horror stories of side effects and outcomes of so called scientifically established methods the picture can be painted very differently. First and foremost I request you to understand what you are speaking about. When I read this article and its language it felt as if an actor who has portrayed an astronaut is now questioning the science of spaceships. You do not have any more understanding of ayurveda then that actor has of actual spaceships.

     
  21. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    Sorry, I do NOT accept any “science” which makes that claim that it is “based on truth and created by lord Bramha before the creation of human being”. That’s extreme nonsense so let’s not go there.

     
  22. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    Sorry, you’ve failed to persuade either. There is no “Allopathy” or such stuff. There is PURE SCIENCE. Either true or false. Even if true it must be proven, repeatedly.

     
  23. Subrahmanya

    Dear all,
    The article by Jain and Arya is just a write up with prejudice. Sabhlok ji is mentioning about science, scientific temper and systematic studies, but the paper you quoted appears to be totally non scientific. Several spelling mistakes (e.g., Azadi rachta !) in the so called “article” is proving its quality. I would have to say that, most of the information quoted here are either wrongly translated or wrongly interpreted. I don’t know how a journal tagged with word “pharmacology” accepted and published this. A journal with bare minimum standards cannot publish this kind of write up.
    Authors accuse that one plant is used to treat several diseases. Yes, Ayurveda uses one plant to treat several diseases or symptoms, what is wrong with that? Dear authors, please be informed that, a plant is made up of hundreds of phytochemicals, which may act at several systems at a time. Why you are forgetting modern biomedicine also prescribes a particular broad spectrum antibiotic in several infections? Should i count and list it out?
    I do not say all is perfect with Ayurveda. There are lacuna. Also be reminded that, several of information including origin of Ayurveda which states “from brahma”, not to be translated word by word. Anyone those who a little about indian knowledge systems understands that brhma means “absolute truth”,, but not a mythical character.
    One thing is sure, it is not the way to accuse and abuse a knowledge system, which (at least) believed to be proven beneficial to many. Let’s debate, but without leaving our dignity and self respect.
    You joke at the inefficiency of Ayurveda drugs and say that they are not proven by clinical trials. Clinical trials have a lit of limitations. I am sorry sir, but i have to remind you about “thalidomide babies”. Do you need mode devastated situation than this? Innocent people believed the reports of so called highly scientific and systematic CRTs (controlled clinical trials) and consumed your so called safe and effective molecules. Result? Read about thalidomide babies. I think placebo is much better than this situation.
    I know, no end to this kind of arguements, and arguements has to happen for the growth of knowledge, benefit of mankind, but my request is, debate with respect.

     
  24. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    “Read about thalidomide babies. I think placebo is much better than this situation.”

    this is the problem with Ayurveda in summary – TOTAL RESISTANCE TO SCIENTIFIC PROOFS. Just a belief system. Sorry, I rejected ALL religion as bogus nonsense 50 years ago. ALL THE AUYURVEDA “experts” of India combined have less knowledge of science than a 15 year old science student in the West. And totally no ability to prove any of their points. Just attacking the critic. “No proof needed” system of “medicine”! What utter rubbish.

     
  25. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    I’ve posted this comment on my FB profile today: https://www.facebook.com/sabhlok/posts/10157281514798767

    This old post of mine has received over 3000 views in the last few days. The Ayurveda community in India has “discovered” this post after many years and is all worked up about it. Read the pathetic comments of the practitioners of this “medicine” system. I’ve also deleted many even more useless comments.

    Not one provides any proof. Only character assassination of those who criticise it.

    I have one word for Ayurveda: NONSENSE. In, fact it is BOGUS nonsense, being a branch of religion, not science.

     
  26. Avantika Saini

    Calling out Ayurvedic treatment and knowledge as irrational and illogical.
    I really don’t know who posted it coz what I started reading were your comments. But sir/madam I just want to ask you a small question…in every Indian home where every food contains Haridra(Haldi) which is said to be a must while making any food item.I don’t know you the know basic knowledge or not but yes Haldi is the best Anti-inflammatory that you can use.
    During childhood why our parents insisted drinking this combination of milk and Haldi…why the old aged people stop eating the things that they say as “Thandi Hoti Hain yeh(they are cold)”..here are some things I wanted to clear that Ayurveda isn’t just a medicine it’s all that you apply in Ur day to day life.
    Counting on the metal preparations…before using such preparations the metals are made to undergo process of Shoshana(purification) and these procedures aren’t that easy but you have to agree that the medicinal effect are superb.
    The things can’t be illogical since these were being practiced when their was no such medicinal branch about 100 years ago.
    All the medicines with their constituents and description..rather I should say deep descriptions are available with their availability (area where the best plant could be found).
    Yes we don’t take out the constituents out of plants because we consider every part of the plants are essential anyhow.Do you consider that bad?? really???

     
  27. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    Ancient knowledge that is relevant can be proven and then becomes part of modern science. All other ancient stuff is rubbish. We don’t need Ayurveda at all – anything sensible should be incorporated in modern science, the rest canbe studied by historians.

     
  28. Dr Anupama Patra

    Dear Sanjeev Sabhlok ji, we ayurved people have enough faith on our own science. It is already a time tested science. We never want to wastage our time and money unnecessarily behind proving an already proved science. You are proceeding in a unexplored path so you people need research . We have already specific treatment along with every guideline for specific diseases. We are following that and giving benefit to the society also. There is no need of research for a fact. For example If you will take cold item continuously you will definitely suffer from rhinitis or indigestion. This is the knowledge of ayurveda .If you have no faith try it . We have faith on this knowledge and implementing it also in our life. You people are misguiding our Ayurved people in the name of so called research. I know we have some internal problem about understanding of our original science. That will be solved in few years. You do not think to incorporate a vast science within a limited science.if Ayurveda will come to its full phase it will never need any science for any problem. It is a self sufficient science including every emergencies. We can include modern medical science also within our science by implementing our panch bhautik siddhant but we never need to do it because we have more safe alternatives.
    Let us wait and watch for few years. Again I am telling it is a god created science never try to blame it. Questing about ayurveda means questing about power of god.
    Once you have started this means soon you are going to get the response.

     
  29. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    ” We never want to wastage our time and money unnecessarily behind proving an already proved science.”

    I stopped reading the rubbish after that. How can you claim that some spiritual nonsense in some ancient scripture is “proven”? That’s the whole point – you guys repeatedly prove that Ayurveda is spiritual nonsense. You guys are ENEMIES OF REASON.

     
  30. Bapi

    Agin I am saying that you are making arguments based on such a article which itself are biased scientifically. I think you just have a superficial knowledge about the contents of Ayurvedic compendia as well as recents trends of conventional medical science. Plz don’t get angry but read appropriately both ayurvefic and conventional medical literature before drawing any conclusions. And next time plz refer such a journal which follow minimum standard ( at least in Medline/pubmed database). Thank you.

     
  31. Dr Anupama Patra

    Sir spiritualism is not a nonsense but a super sense.there are many existing knowledge beyond our limited perception. Those can be realized through belief. All belief are not superstition. Belief itself based on several practical experience. Our belief on science has been developed through repeated proof. Whatsoever we use to try as per literature it prooved as true. Till now not a single sentence of real ayurveda has been proved as wrong. Where ever we are getting less response or negative response there always cause is our misunderstanding or misinterpretation about the actual literature. Your way and our way of belief are in opposite direction that’s why you are unable to understand Ayurveda. There is no end of this discussion. If you are an Indian and have belief on god ask me any topic . I will give it’s remedy from our literary knowledge. Then you try this in your scientific way. You can realize what is ayurveda and can know why I am uttering about it.

     
  32. Dr. Abhay Kumar Sharma

    Sanjeev ji please do a great thing that please send your valuable recommendations to indian government that immediately close all such universities and national institutions those spreading such irrational illogical knowledge to society and ruining the bright future of thousands of students and save lives of thousands of patients from such quacks. Thanks

     
  33. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    My views on Ayurveda were not informed by this article. This merely shows how even Ayurveda’s own “doctors” have found it to be a total fake.

     
  34. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    I do not believe in anything, leave alone a “God” – critical thinking requires conclusive proofs. Else a concept is a mere theory, without any backing of evidence.

     
  35. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    Not my job. Our party will NOT support any form of medicine – everything will need to be privatised.

     
  36. Bapi

    For your kind information I have attache a refference of an “world class Journal” (Nature, hope you are well known about the Journal) about an Ayurvedic therapeutic agent. I would also like request you to revise the limit of your knowledge about Ayurveda and recent trends of conventional medicine. You are trying to prove yourself as a rational person but is it actually ??

    SCIenTIfIC REporTS | 7: 8588 | DOI:10.1038/s41598-017-09225-x

     
  37. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-09225-x

    I’m not saying that ALL herbs compiled by Ayurveda are bunkum. I’m saying that Ayurveda is BUNKUM. The ONLY thing that is valid is proper science with proof. Just do that. And 99 per cent of current Ayurveda is not even fit be considered a placebo. A few valid herbs have been already adopted by science. The rest of Ayurveda must be disbanded.

     
  38. Bapi

    Ha ha ha. I can attach a huge numbers of articles (definitely at least from Scopus indexed Journal) about Ayurvedic concept and Principle of disease management. But I think you are not interested in study. That’s why your thought are so much biased. On of such article is attached below (from Scopus index Journal)
    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://ijrap.net/admin/php/uploads/2141_pdf.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjrwcmF3oviAhXKYo8KHcpLBYsQFjABegQIBRAF&usg=AOvVaw2DvUb2so_KzhSZjSfqyiUr

     
  39. Bapu

    It’s really surprising when peoples like you say ९९% of Ayurveda are fake without any study or data even who did not read a single page of Charak Samhita or Susruth Samhita. Is it a scientific ?? Is such radicalism is allowed in science ??

     
  40. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    Absolutely. I ONLY respect science and proven scientific truths. Science includes EVERYTHING useful discovered thousands of years ago but does NOT start backward. It starts with the latest understandings. Ayurveda is bogus because it is not science, but belief.

     
  41. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    That’s a bogus article from a bogus journal. The “journal” is about Ayurveda. The board of editors is purely bogus Indian ayurvedic “experts”. https://ijrap.net/index.php/login/editorial

    THIS IS NOT A SCIENCE JOURNAL.

    Try again. You guys really don’t understands the meaning of science, do you?

     
  42. Lin

    Sanjeev Sabhlok,
    It’s the greatest issue you’ve brought out. THank you! As a Chinese, I’ve argued on many occasions over the issue of TCM or traditional Chinese medicine.
    Some important and simple facts:
    — It’s NOT Ayurveda medicine or TCM vs ‘western’ medicine,
    its traditional non-scientific medicine VS modern scientific medicine
    —Traditional medicine still has 2 (diminishing)roles:
    *In poorer part of the third world, it might offer cheaper cure for simple illness
    *It might occasionally point to some worthy research area. A very good example is
    the secretion from frog skin applied by Amazon Indians led to discovery of antibotics.
    I dare say if large 3rd world economies like that of india could do well in the next
    20 yrs or so, even if traditional medicine is erased from the surface of the earth, it
    would hardly affect the well being of humanity.
    —Medicine is about saving lives and healing diseases. Traditonal ‘health food’ like
    certain herbs, if found good for health, should be handled by dietitians, not by
    practitioners of traditional medicine.
    Medicine is NOT about preserving ‘national heritage’. If certain aspects of Ayurveda
    medicine or TCM are worthy of national heritage, let such matters be handled by
    museums or national department of antiquities. Doctors are NOT museum curators

     
  43. rahul

    please tell us how many allopathic medicines have their origin from herbs.
    Modern medicine is not practised the way written by hippocrates but to prove ayurveda fake ,quotes are taken from books written thousand of years back,allopathy became a science in a century when a lot of research work was done but many medicines has been extracted as active constituents from herbs.
    you may reject ayurveda being a science because of lack of evidence in famous journals, research and by quoting all irrational things from text declaring that ayurveda is fake ,irrational and illogical but its time tested system.
    Its either to have monetary benefits from this blog or having a very tubular vision where someone told this and was readly accepted.
    Its lack of research work to take ayurveda to the level of modern medicine and if it requires evidence to prove something as science then to prove it fake also, you must have evidence but here a generalization or observation made by two doctors is taken for granted without evidence.

     
  44. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    Ayurveda is not herbal medicine. The problem is the theory of Auyrveda which is pure fiction and nonsense. And the use of heavy metals. There are proofs that some of these “medicines” are poisonous.

    Herbal medicine is no magical medicine, either. There are all sorts of nonsense peddled by Chinese as herbal medicine, for instance.

    Where herbal remedies do work, modern science is required to extract the key ingredient and try to replicate it chemically to make it cheaper for all. Anything useful needs to be studied scientifically. E.g. see https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/210378

    Modern medicine studies herbs scientifically, not on the basis on absurd primitive theories.

    I wish I had more time to devote to this topic (having also been shown around Ramdev’s factories in Patanjali) but I’d only this: shift your focus to real science, and stop running after ayurveda.

     

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