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For those feeling “nauseated” by my caste focus, observe that untouchability is RAMPANT across Hinduism TODAY.

I've been very disappointed by some commentators on FB who have shrugged off the caste problem in some way or other. Some say it no longer exists. Some tell me it will go away with free markets. Some even deny that this is REQUIRED by Hindu scriptures.

I challenge ANY BRAHMIN WHO IS READING THIS (since only Brahmins are so authorised in Hinduism) to establish a program to upgrade the caste of the Dalits.

Go to the village and hold ceremonies to upgrade the caste of the Dalits. I challenge you – if your religion has ANYTHING to do with "righteousness".

And stop giving me fake stories that caste is not determined by birth. I am not a sucker for your nonsense.

One of my commentators said: "The posts adnauseum are really causing nausea to me". Indeed, that's the purpose. At least LEARN THE TRUTH about Hinduism. Please feel nauseated for a while. There are people in India being CONDEMNED FOR A LIFETIME OF NAUSEA.

This movie, below (India Untouched) is relatively recent (2007).  Watch the entire movie.

Then tell me that caste doesn't exist or that untouchability is a myth.

 

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7 thoughts on “For those feeling “nauseated” by my caste focus, observe that untouchability is RAMPANT across Hinduism TODAY.
  1. Dr. Pawan Kumar Aryan

    Dear Sanjeev Ji

    Parnaam

    Your blog deserve full understanding and then if one thinks of
    response, responding being as honest as your research is.

    Only one update due to recent findings:

    “It is my view that the Hindu is NOT going to give up caste that
    easily. When something has been drilled into one’s head for 3000
    years, it takes some time to get rid of it.”

    It was drilled for 2000 years. We have saved another 1000 years to start afresh.

    source:
    The Times of India
    Study reveals origin of India’s caste system
    Agencies | Aug 11, 2013, 06.33 AM IST
    India’s caste system, says a new genetic study, began about 2,000
    years ago. The study adds that people from different genetic
    populations — from the North and the South — began to mix with each
    other about 4,200 years ago but that the mixing stopped about 2,000
    years ago.

    The study was carried out by Harvard Medical School and the
    CSIR-Centre for Cellular and Molecular Biology (CCMB) in Hyderabad.
    David Reich, a professor of genetics at Harvard Medical School, said
    that the caste system in India has been around for a long time, but
    that it had certainly not begun right at the very beginning.

    Reich’s 2009 study, based on an analysis of 25 different Indian
    population groups, found that all populations in India showed evidence
    of a genetic mixing of two ancestral groups — the Ancestral North
    Indians (ANI), who are related to central Asians, middle easterners,
    caucasians, and Europeans ; and the Ancestral South Indians (ASI), who
    are primarily from the subcontinent.

    In the beginning, when the ANI and ASI populations mixed, their
    chromosomal segments would have been very long. But when the two
    groups began to intermarry, the chromosomal segments would have broken
    up at one or two places per chromosome, per generation, thus
    recombining maternal and paternal genetic material.

    The researchers, by measuring the lengths of the segments of ANI and
    ASI ancestry in Indian genomes, were thereby able to obtain precise
    estimates of when this population mixture occurred. They found that it
    started 4,200 years ago — the Indus Valley civilisation was waning
    then, and huge migrations were occurring across north India, which
    might have caused the intermarrying . It is suspected that before
    that, the two groups lived side by side for centuries without
    intermarrying.

    The researchers said the mixing was thorough, with even isolated
    tribes showing ancestry from both groups.

    Lalji Singh, a former researcher at CSIR-CCMB , said: “The fact that
    every population in India evolved from randomly mixed populations
    suggests that social classifications like the caste system are not
    likely to have existed in the same way before the mixture happened.”

    The intermarrying stopped about 2,000 years ago. The Manusmriti ,
    forbidding intermarriage across castes, was written around 100 BC.

    The researchers added that once the caste system was established, it
    became genetically effective, and mixing across groups became very
    rare.

    Prem aur Shanti

    drpawankumararyan

     
  2. Dwadasaksha

    Problem 1: equating a temporal practice like untouchability with a permanent institution like caste.

    Problem 2: talking of ‘is rampant’ instead of talking increase and decrease – no person interested in social changes would talk such language.

     
  3. Dwadasaksha

    “I challenge ANY BRAHMIN WHO IS READING THIS (since only Brahmins are so authorised in Hinduism) to establish a program to upgrade the caste of the Dalits.”

    Please gather some information before making such statements.

    It was brahmin seers like Vasistha Ganapati Muni who launched extensive campaigns against the categorization of pancama (dalit), to bring them *back* into the four-fold society, to abolish untouchability. It was the adi-Hindu society, a dalit organization that bestowed the title ‘muni’ on Him.

    It is again RSS, a ‘brahminical’ organization started by brahmins that worked against caste discrimination of all kinds – Gandhi was amazed to find that in an RSS camp where he went as a guest he was sitting between one brahmin and one harijan. This is the direct solution to what Gandhi and Ambedkar dreamed. They are doing the work till date, and have done more service to dalits and vanavasis than any one else.

    Savarkar, another brahmin by birth and by scholarship, was instrumental in melting down caste differences and untouchability.

    So sir, please inform yourself before making such preposterous challenges.

     
  4. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    I only care for zero caste system and TOTAL equality of all Indians, so pleae bear with me. I’m not a social analyst. I’m a reformer. I write for change, not for the sake of some analysis.

     
  5. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    No, Dwadasakha, I’ve explained that I want to see a systematic PROCESS for this – and I’ve offered five alternatives. I know of these previous ‘movements’ and also RSS’s work but these are NOT intended to (a) abolish birth based caste and (b) achieve total equality.

    Happy for any Brahmin to set up a Hindu sect which formally elevates ALL oppressed castes. I don’t think any such Brahmin exists – yet.

    s

     
  6. Dwadasaksha

    “I’ve explained that I want to see a systematic PROCESS for this – and I’ve offered five alternatives”

    You have mixed up two entirely different issues – caste and untouchability. If you surveyed the previous ‘movements’ then it is obvious their process is more systematic and scientific than anyone can suggest – the question is whether it is being implemented.

    As for caste, it is a much bigger topic and it is simplistic to equate individual phenomena like equality with group level phenomena like caste. Very few people have been able to go into the crux of the issue and been able to make the right diagnosis of the problem – even fewer gave any solution. I am not trying to be high-handed, but the order of depth and complexity of the problem is way higher than what I see in the analysis presented.

     
  7. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    There is a  way to cut the Gordian knot. Alexander taught the world how to do it. Slash it and it will break.

    DESTROY the caste system, lock stock and barrel. Let 10000 Brahmins hold a ceremony to bury their “thread” and also elevate 10000 Dalits at the same time.

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