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My open letter to so-called “Dalits”

The "Dalits" are not slaves – they should wake up and throw away their chains!

 

I am sick of hearing that the "Dalits/Harijans/SCs" have been oppressed in the past and so INNOCENT non-oppressors must COMPENSATE them today. That is a shoddy argument that beggars belief, but forms part of the reservations rigmarole which has condemned India to mediocrity, and led to the exodus of (most) Indians capable of standing on their own feet in the face of world-level competition.

This disease of affirmative action has spread even into 'gender' matters, such as reservations for women. The thinking capacity of Indians is worsening with each passing day, till the point is now close when they won't be able to distinguish the right from the wrong, good from bad, evil from greatness.

What is particularly galling is that the "Dalits/Harijans/SCs" are themselves at the forefront of this ridiculous demand for continued reservations. I wrote a detailed article on this subject but apparently not many people have read it. Please read it. It clarifies why reservations are FUNDAMENTALLY wrong and UNJUST, and offers a clear way out of this mess.

But let me put out a CLEAR message to my so-called "Dalit" friends today. I say "so-called" because it is THEY who call themselves Dalits. I don't call them such names nor see them differently from ANY other human being

MY OPEN LETTER TO SELF-PROCLAIMED "DALITS":

 

Dear Friends!

If you know me by now, you'll also know that I treat EVERYONE around me as an EQUAL HUMAN BEING. People are different in talent and capacity, but being equal humans, each deserves the same level of regard – and political rights.

You also know by now that I have no engagement with any religion. I do retain, however, some affinity for many Hindu philosophical concepts and those of Buddhism (plus some affinity with good things from all religions). In any event I do know some things about Hinduism. This one thing is clear beyond the slightest iota of doubt: that the idea of a hereditary caste system does not form part of the original conceptions of Hinduism and was introduced much later, as a distortion.

Let me make it clear, that as a FREE human being (no less, no more), I have discarded ALL religion and take on, as a guide to my thinking, only what I decide is right. I discard all garbage; all rubbish; all false ideas. I don't care for blindly obeying anyone who is living or dead. I ONLY trust in myself. That is because as a human being I THINK FOR MYSELF. Because I am a human and not a sheep, nor a coward afraid of 'big names' or 'scriptures'. 

You, my good friend, are NOT a slave. Please note that when you advocate the false and flawed socialist policy of reservations (based on the nonsensical idea of 'social justice'), you become PARTY TO THE CRIME and INJUSTICE that this represents. By doing so, you also connive with (rather than challenge) the FALSE system of caste that is NOT part of Hinduism as it was and should be. Indeed, by accepting and acknowledging your caste, you become a slave to the distortions of history.

TODAY PLEASE BECOME A FREE MAN. Yes, today, not tomorrow. Not when you have squeezed out more undue benefits from the 'reservations' system for yourself and your children, but TODAY.

TODAY if you are an honest man (or woman) nothing stops you from freeing yourself from the caste system but you, yourself. You are your own greatest enemy today. None other but you are holding you back. No living or dead man is blocking your freedom.

Personally speaking, I would be deeply offended if in a race in the Olympics or in a match in the Wimbledon I was given additional points (or a special handicap) just because of my 'caste'. That would destroy my confidence in myself totally. I want to know HONESTLY how I fare in this world after my best efforts. I don't want to be molly-coddled. I am NOT a TODDLER needing a pat on my back. I am a MAN. 

Today I challenge you to grow up into a MAN (or woman), and stop being a SELF-IMPOSED slave. I challenge you to become a free human being – capable of thinking for yourself. If you are a man (or woman) and not a slave, you will THROW OUT YOUR CHAINS – RIGHT NOW.

If, however, it is sheer GREED for reserved seats that makes you stick to a FLAWED version of Hinduism, then you are CONTEMPTIBLE and deserve the calumny that is often attributed to your caste by ignorant fools. You can't have your cake and eat it too. You can't claim to want to be treated with respect, but want reservations too.

If you are SERIOUS about gaining self-respect, you will REJECT HINDUISM OUTRIGHT, RIGHT NOW – or at least any version of Hinduism that treats you with contempt. REJECT YOUR CASTE. REJECT YOUR RELIGION. Rise ABOVE these things. If you are bothered that a "Brahmin" priest doesn't let you enter a temple then BUILD YOUR OWN TEMPLE!!!

The Upanishads say: Tat Tvam Asi. You are it. You are the God so for God's sake! get some self-respect into your bones.

Join me today in freedom. Become a free human being. Lead your own life: choose your own destiny.

If anyone dared to judge me on my 'caste' (which I once had) I would SPIT on that person. I care to be judged by my acts, by my contributions. I want to be ONLY an ORDINARY human being. That is creditable enough – if I rise to the standards expected of a good human.

If I can kick my so-called 'caste' with my shoes and break ALL shackles to my thinking capacity, then why do you want to stick to your stupid 'caste'? SPIT ON IT. THROW IT AWAY.

Reject it outright. Right now!! And having done that, learn about the ways of freedom. Critical thinking is the foundation of freedom. Read The Discovery of Freedom (still a draft).

Then learn how, as citizens of FREE India we can ensure that all our children are educated effectively. Read Breaking Free of Nehru (Chapter 6 in particular) on how this can be done. And when you – FINALLY -understand the meaning of freedom and want a free India, then JOIN THE FREEDOM TEAM. Together, we will transform India's policies to ensure that EVERY child is educated in the best possible way.

After that is done, let all people in India compete on merit and let the best win.

Let's oppose reservations tooth and nail, equally as we demand freedom for everyone and expect them to behave with self-respect. 

Your sincerely,

Sanjeev Sabhlok

29 January 2011

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105 thoughts on “My open letter to so-called “Dalits”
  1. Kumarpushp

    160 million dalits require seprate county away from barbaric hindus.120 million pakistani has got atomic bombs that why hindus are passing urine in his trousers ,once dalits will get seprate county ,hindus will be passing shits in his trousers as same way Mr gandi had passed urine in his dhoti while thinkng of seprate electorate for dalits.

     
  2. Kumarpushp

    160 million dalits require seprate county away from barbaric hindus.120 million pakistani has got atomic bombs that why hindus are passing urine in his trousers ,once dalits will get seprate county ,hindus will be passing shits in his trousers as same way Mr gandi had passed urine in his dhoti while thinkng of seprate electorate for dalits.

     
  3. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    Dear Kumarpushp

    I would normally have rejected such a comment, but I sense deep anger and frustration and I’d like to engage in a civilised discussion with you on this topic. Please therefore use objective language in your further comments, and we can discuss.

    I have two questions:

    a) Why do “Dalits” choose to be Dalit? What stops “Dalits” from rejecting Hinduism outright – if that religion oppresses them? Is it fear of physical retaliation? What stops you (assuming you are a “Dalit”) from rejecting (the casteist form of) Hinduism?

    b) Why do I hear that “Dalit Muslims” (there is apparently such a thing) also keep begging for reservations? Are “Dalits” some kind of beggars? Can’t they decide to educate their children (if necessary by opening their own schools), and face the world on equal footing?

    Regards
    Sanjeev

     
  4. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    Dear Kumarpushp

    I would normally have rejected such a comment, but I sense deep anger and frustration and I’d like to engage in a civilised discussion with you on this topic. Please therefore use objective language in your further comments, and we can discuss.

    I have two questions:

    a) Why do “Dalits” choose to be Dalit? What stops “Dalits” from rejecting Hinduism outright – if that religion oppresses them? Is it fear of physical retaliation? What stops you (assuming you are a “Dalit”) from rejecting (the casteist form of) Hinduism?

    b) Why do I hear that “Dalit Muslims” (there is apparently such a thing) also keep begging for reservations? Are “Dalits” some kind of beggars? Can’t they decide to educate their children (if necessary by opening their own schools), and face the world on equal footing?

    Regards
    Sanjeev

     
  5. Kumarpushp

    Resevation is not a bheek but intrest when dalits will get seprate county away from barbaric hindus then resevation will stop it self.160 million dalits want a seprate county away from barbaric hindus.My humble request to sanjeev and their clans that dalitstan is a birth rights of every dalits and dalilts will have it in future then we will give back hindus  with same way what they are doing to dalits in india. 160 million dalits want a seprate county away from barbaric hindus.

     
  6. Kumarpushp

    Resevation is not a bheek but intrest when dalits will get seprate county away from barbaric hindus then resevation will stop it self.160 million dalits want a seprate county away from barbaric hindus.My humble request to sanjeev and their clans that dalitstan is a birth rights of every dalits and dalilts will have it in future then we will give back hindus  with same way what they are doing to dalits in india. 160 million dalits want a seprate county away from barbaric hindus.

     
  7. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    Dear Kumarpushp

    I sense deep anger and as I said, that’s fine. You have good reasons for that. But the solution is not to look for another country which is simply impossible and can’t happen (nor will it solve any problem of poverty, etc.) but to overthrow your OWN chains.

    Assert you are a human. Assert you are a Brahmin (should that be such a desirable ‘title’). Create your own religion (should that be necessary). Spit on anyone who dares to spit on you. Stand up tall. Be free.

    Spit too on anyone who offers you ‘bheekh’ such as ‘reservations’. It is HUMILIATING to be offered a special incentive. Charity is only for the beggar, not for the man. Refuse this nonsense of reservations.

    And please learn the meaning of freedom. Join the Freedom Team of India. Read BFN.

    Remember this, though: That unless YOU become a man and stand up for yourself, no one will stand up for you. I wish you the best of success in your journey to independence and freedom.

    Regards
    Sanjeev

     
  8. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    Dear Kumarpushp

    I sense deep anger and as I said, that’s fine. You have good reasons for that. But the solution is not to look for another country which is simply impossible and can’t happen (nor will it solve any problem of poverty, etc.) but to overthrow your OWN chains.

    Assert you are a human. Assert you are a Brahmin (should that be such a desirable ‘title’). Create your own religion (should that be necessary). Spit on anyone who dares to spit on you. Stand up tall. Be free.

    Spit too on anyone who offers you ‘bheekh’ such as ‘reservations’. It is HUMILIATING to be offered a special incentive. Charity is only for the beggar, not for the man. Refuse this nonsense of reservations.

    And please learn the meaning of freedom. Join the Freedom Team of India. Read BFN.

    Remember this, though: That unless YOU become a man and stand up for yourself, no one will stand up for you. I wish you the best of success in your journey to independence and freedom.

    Regards
    Sanjeev

     
  9. Kumarpushp

    Hay Sanjeev, you are fool like hindu politician.only 6% people take their bread and butter from services ,even if dalits get 18% resevation means 1% population of dalits are depend on resevation.why you hindus are not dividing the land among all population of India.equal distribution of land is the only solution.Dr ambedkar had said that elephant does not know about their size that why a small mahavat will rule elephant.dalits intellectuals in India should awake the 160 million dalit population and you can imagine what will be happened in india when 160 million dalits come to delhi.Bomay had seen the 2 million dalit population when we forced the Shive sena and BJP on namantran movement. I would advised you go and read about dalits who are fighting this war since Buddha period.Dalits are moving inch by inch towards the self determination in India.

     
  10. Kumarpushp

    Hay Sanjeev, you are fool like hindu politician.only 6% people take their bread and butter from services ,even if dalits get 18% resevation means 1% population of dalits are depend on resevation.why you hindus are not dividing the land among all population of India.equal distribution of land is the only solution.Dr ambedkar had said that elephant does not know about their size that why a small mahavat will rule elephant.dalits intellectuals in India should awake the 160 million dalit population and you can imagine what will be happened in india when 160 million dalits come to delhi.Bomay had seen the 2 million dalit population when we forced the Shive sena and BJP on namantran movement. I would advised you go and read about dalits who are fighting this war since Buddha period.Dalits are moving inch by inch towards the self determination in India.

     
  11. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    Dear Kumarpushp

    First of all, I’m not Hindu, so I can’t be a Hindu politician. So also you can’t call me “you Hindus”. I may be a “fool” but that’s a different matter.

    Second, ‘equal distribution of land’ is nothing but COMMUNISM, and that is something that is proven conclusively to destroy all potential of wealth in a society. Please also read BFN, but at least this blog post: http://sabhlokcity.com/2011/02/the-great-follies-of-karl-marx-and-the-socialists/

    Note that Ambedkar was a CLASSICAL LIBERAL. He is one of my heroes, although I don’t keep heroes. But definitely a man whose intellect and ideas I greatly respect. He NEVER advocated communism of the sort you are talking about. And it doesn’t matter what Ambedkar said. What matter is what is right. And freedom is the solution, not communism and statism.

    Re: awakening the 160 million ‘Dalits’. By all means awaken them. My task is not to awaken any particular individual, but the entire country. And I DON’T recognise caste so anyone who wants my sympathy by calling themselves ‘Dalit’ can forget about it. I treat everyone as an equal, and if you or anyone can discuss with me as an equal, please continue. If you are going to whine and cry like a beggar, then please go somewhere else. I have NO sympathy for able bodied people who are living under self-created barriers to their own potential.

    Regards
    Sanjeev

     
  12. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    Dear Kumarpushp

    First of all, I’m not Hindu, so I can’t be a Hindu politician. So also you can’t call me “you Hindus”. I may be a “fool” but that’s a different matter.

    Second, ‘equal distribution of land’ is nothing but COMMUNISM, and that is something that is proven conclusively to destroy all potential of wealth in a society. Please also read BFN, but at least this blog post: http://sabhlokcity.com/2011/02/the-great-follies-of-karl-marx-and-the-socialists/

    Note that Ambedkar was a CLASSICAL LIBERAL. He is one of my heroes, although I don’t keep heroes. But definitely a man whose intellect and ideas I greatly respect. He NEVER advocated communism of the sort you are talking about. And it doesn’t matter what Ambedkar said. What matter is what is right. And freedom is the solution, not communism and statism.

    Re: awakening the 160 million ‘Dalits’. By all means awaken them. My task is not to awaken any particular individual, but the entire country. And I DON’T recognise caste so anyone who wants my sympathy by calling themselves ‘Dalit’ can forget about it. I treat everyone as an equal, and if you or anyone can discuss with me as an equal, please continue. If you are going to whine and cry like a beggar, then please go somewhere else. I have NO sympathy for able bodied people who are living under self-created barriers to their own potential.

    Regards
    Sanjeev

     
  13. Kumarpushp

    Dear sanjeev, you hindus donot give land to dalits and minorities and telling that is communism so how dalits and minorities will eat.you donot want to discuss about resevation which showed 99% of dalit population is depend upon land resourcces.you people are very corrupt and superficial that why hiding you face from reality.160 million dalits are getting ready to throw the burden of 33 crores of hindu gods and godeses.I think you must read the Poona pact then only you will know the resevation.dalits are very kind that why they are not taking arms against their enemy but day is not far away when they will throttle their real enemy .I think you are very fond of beggar .Gandhi was the biggest beggar that why 160 million dalits are suffering in india ,if Ambedkar would have not given Biksha to Kasturba then dalits would have been living in own country.I met thousand of Pakistani people from Sindh and Punjab ,before partition of India ,all jobs was the property of hindus in Pakistan but when muslims got their motherland and  they thrown out hindus from Pakistan ,they become doctor ,Engineers and even got Nuclear boms to annhilate the Hindi,Hindu ,Hindustan.Please go and read dalit Voice which is being published from banglore  by great Buddhist writer VT Rajshekhar.

     
  14. Kumarpushp

    Dear sanjeev, you hindus donot give land to dalits and minorities and telling that is communism so how dalits and minorities will eat.you donot want to discuss about resevation which showed 99% of dalit population is depend upon land resourcces.you people are very corrupt and superficial that why hiding you face from reality.160 million dalits are getting ready to throw the burden of 33 crores of hindu gods and godeses.I think you must read the Poona pact then only you will know the resevation.dalits are very kind that why they are not taking arms against their enemy but day is not far away when they will throttle their real enemy .I think you are very fond of beggar .Gandhi was the biggest beggar that why 160 million dalits are suffering in india ,if Ambedkar would have not given Biksha to Kasturba then dalits would have been living in own country.I met thousand of Pakistani people from Sindh and Punjab ,before partition of India ,all jobs was the property of hindus in Pakistan but when muslims got their motherland and  they thrown out hindus from Pakistan ,they become doctor ,Engineers and even got Nuclear boms to annhilate the Hindi,Hindu ,Hindustan.Please go and read dalit Voice which is being published from banglore  by great Buddhist writer VT Rajshekhar.

     
  15. Kumarpushp

    Mr sanjeev, I did not ask for country ,have a look .I asked for county ,both words are diffeerent for your kind information Please.

     
  16. Kumarpushp

    Mr sanjeev, I did not ask for country ,have a look .I asked for county ,both words are diffeerent for your kind information Please.

     
  17. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    Dear Kumarpushp

    Once again, I’m not a Hindu so don’t say: “you hindus donot give land to dalits and minorities and telling that is communism so how dalits and minorities will eat”.

    Let’s be clear on this – everyone in the free country WILL (under the system I have outlined in BFN) receive high quality education.

    1) Let’s be clear that EVERYONE in India will have access to a frugal subsistence under the social minimum that I have outlined in BFN. Guaranteed.

    2) Let’s be clear that once these (and related things) are looked into, there can be NO SCOPE for whining and crying. Thereafter let merit take over and let people compete on equal footing.

    I’m happy for reservations to continue till the two things above are ASSURED. The day these are assured, reservations must go.

    Don’t become a racist. Don’t participate in the false assertions of “Hindus” that you are inferior in any way. There is ONLY one race in this world: human. And so by still accepting that you are a “Dalit” you are claiming that you are BORN inferior. I didn’t say so. You are accepting it! Do you realise how stupid such a thing is?

    Why call yourself Dalit? As a first step call yourself BRAHMIN. Do that. Let’s see who objects!

    I call my self HUMAN. That’s the highest title of all.

    And stop talking about stupid things like religion (Hindu/Muslim/etc.). Rise above them, man! Grow up.

    Regards
    Sanjeev

     
  18. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    Dear Kumarpushp

    Once again, I’m not a Hindu so don’t say: “you hindus donot give land to dalits and minorities and telling that is communism so how dalits and minorities will eat”.

    Let’s be clear on this – everyone in the free country WILL (under the system I have outlined in BFN) receive high quality education.

    1) Let’s be clear that EVERYONE in India will have access to a frugal subsistence under the social minimum that I have outlined in BFN. Guaranteed.

    2) Let’s be clear that once these (and related things) are looked into, there can be NO SCOPE for whining and crying. Thereafter let merit take over and let people compete on equal footing.

    I’m happy for reservations to continue till the two things above are ASSURED. The day these are assured, reservations must go.

    Don’t become a racist. Don’t participate in the false assertions of “Hindus” that you are inferior in any way. There is ONLY one race in this world: human. And so by still accepting that you are a “Dalit” you are claiming that you are BORN inferior. I didn’t say so. You are accepting it! Do you realise how stupid such a thing is?

    Why call yourself Dalit? As a first step call yourself BRAHMIN. Do that. Let’s see who objects!

    I call my self HUMAN. That’s the highest title of all.

    And stop talking about stupid things like religion (Hindu/Muslim/etc.). Rise above them, man! Grow up.

    Regards
    Sanjeev

     
  19. Kumarpushp

    Mr sanjeev, lets hindu led government should give equal education to all means no regional language.India is a country where r 5 IIT and and five and SIX  IIM so where other people will go and get quality education so my openion lets divide India to hundred parts and every minorities should get their part and run their own institution in India why 15% people should rule 85%.without equal distribution of land .problems would not solved.Hindusim is the mother of all evils in India so we have to annhilate the hinduism first then all problem will solve in one stroke.lets mulsms,dalits ,christians,naga,maratha all should get equal share in India.India is a not a country but nation within the nation.equal distribution of land is the only solution for India.

     
  20. Kumarpushp

    Mr sanjeev, lets hindu led government should give equal education to all means no regional language.India is a country where r 5 IIT and and five and SIX  IIM so where other people will go and get quality education so my openion lets divide India to hundred parts and every minorities should get their part and run their own institution in India why 15% people should rule 85%.without equal distribution of land .problems would not solved.Hindusim is the mother of all evils in India so we have to annhilate the hinduism first then all problem will solve in one stroke.lets mulsms,dalits ,christians,naga,maratha all should get equal share in India.India is a not a country but nation within the nation.equal distribution of land is the only solution for India.

     
  21. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    OK, Kumarpushp, I’m going to have to leave this here.

    You haven’t responded to the issues I’ve suggested and are continuously making wild allegations/claims – which are too ridiculous to entertain.

    You are most welcome to remain a “Dalit” (and therefore be a contemptible person) and seek communism. Do you know even the basics of the disastrous “solution” you are asking for!? Have you read economics anytime? Have you even read Ambedkar??!

    Regards
    Sanjeev

     
  22. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    OK, Kumarpushp, I’m going to have to leave this here.

    You haven’t responded to the issues I’ve suggested and are continuously making wild allegations/claims – which are too ridiculous to entertain.

    You are most welcome to remain a “Dalit” (and therefore be a contemptible person) and seek communism. Do you know even the basics of the disastrous “solution” you are asking for!? Have you read economics anytime? Have you even read Ambedkar??!

    Regards
    Sanjeev

     
  23. Kumarpushp

    Mr sanjeev, you donot know the word of dalits. I follow the Dr Ambedkar and donot give any shits to hindus and their hindu led government.120 million muslims in Pakistan has got the nuclear boms to give reply to hindus and their hindu led government.Dalits require seprate electorate and seprate settlement away from barbaric hindus.

     
  24. Kumarpushp

    Mr sanjeev, you donot know the word of dalits. I follow the Dr Ambedkar and donot give any shits to hindus and their hindu led government.120 million muslims in Pakistan has got the nuclear boms to give reply to hindus and their hindu led government.Dalits require seprate electorate and seprate settlement away from barbaric hindus.

     
  25. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    Dear Kumarpushp

    Glad you are still engaged. I thought you had left! Thanks for continuing the discussion. I believe you represent a very important view in India that is often neglected, and I’m definitely interested in working together with you.

    Look, why don’t you apply to join the Freedom Team of India? Have a look at http://freedomteam.in/. Happy to answer your questions.

    FTI advocates the most non-discriminatory regime the world has ever seen. On a personal level I’m very heartened that the “Dalits” have woken up finally and are rebelling.

    The oppression of the “Dalits” is intolerable, shameful. Can never be condoned.

    However, the solution to that is radical: HIGHEST QUALITY EDUCATION OF THE “DALITS” – as also of ALL Indian children. FTI is committed to that. I guarantee that (read BFN to discover how that can be achieved).

    (And, personally speaking, I’d ask you to immediately declare yourselves as Brahmins. Change your name in the court to “Sharma/Goswami” or whatever else you wish. Moreover, abandon all religion. God, if He exists, is WITHIN YOU. That much is sure. So don’t go backward. Go forward. CHANGE YOURSELF FIRST.)

    Regards
    Sanjeev

     
  26. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    Dear Kumarpushp

    Glad you are still engaged. I thought you had left! Thanks for continuing the discussion. I believe you represent a very important view in India that is often neglected, and I’m definitely interested in working together with you.

    Look, why don’t you apply to join the Freedom Team of India? Have a look at http://freedomteam.in/. Happy to answer your questions.

    FTI advocates the most non-discriminatory regime the world has ever seen. On a personal level I’m very heartened that the “Dalits” have woken up finally and are rebelling.

    The oppression of the “Dalits” is intolerable, shameful. Can never be condoned.

    However, the solution to that is radical: HIGHEST QUALITY EDUCATION OF THE “DALITS” – as also of ALL Indian children. FTI is committed to that. I guarantee that (read BFN to discover how that can be achieved).

    (And, personally speaking, I’d ask you to immediately declare yourselves as Brahmins. Change your name in the court to “Sharma/Goswami” or whatever else you wish. Moreover, abandon all religion. God, if He exists, is WITHIN YOU. That much is sure. So don’t go backward. Go forward. CHANGE YOURSELF FIRST.)

    Regards
    Sanjeev

     
  27. Kumarpushp

    Dear sanjeev, I donot have any intrest in Brahmins or Goswami or tiwari or Pandey. I have a pain for 160 million dalits who are being raped and killed by hindus and their hindu led government in India. Dalits require quality education. I am awakening 160 million dalits for seprate electorate and seprate settlement away from barbaric hindus.

     
  28. Kumarpushp

    Dear sanjeev, I donot have any intrest in Brahmins or Goswami or tiwari or Pandey. I have a pain for 160 million dalits who are being raped and killed by hindus and their hindu led government in India. Dalits require quality education. I am awakening 160 million dalits for seprate electorate and seprate settlement away from barbaric hindus.

     
  29. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    Dear Kumarpushp

    Fine. I was just suggesting a point that you don’t have to remain a ‘Dalit’. Become whatever you want to be.

    Re: the oppression against Dalits, that is NOT due to “Hindu” governments but socialist governments. No government that fails to ensure justice is worthy of its name.

    That is why FTI is looking for leaders who will OVERTHROW SOCIALISM in India and ensure law and order and HIGH QUALITY EDUCATION.

    Your goal and mine is the same. The liberation of the HUMAN within us. So please join FTI. This is a revolutionary movement. It will change India for ever. No more oppression, EVER.

    So please read BFN carefully, and FTI‘s website/brochure/policies and if you are convinced, apply to join FTI.

    If you believe I’m wrong in my diagnosis, I’m happy to discuss further.

    Regards
    Sanjeev

     
  30. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    Dear Kumarpushp

    Fine. I was just suggesting a point that you don’t have to remain a ‘Dalit’. Become whatever you want to be.

    Re: the oppression against Dalits, that is NOT due to “Hindu” governments but socialist governments. No government that fails to ensure justice is worthy of its name.

    That is why FTI is looking for leaders who will OVERTHROW SOCIALISM in India and ensure law and order and HIGH QUALITY EDUCATION.

    Your goal and mine is the same. The liberation of the HUMAN within us. So please join FTI. This is a revolutionary movement. It will change India for ever. No more oppression, EVER.

    So please read BFN carefully, and FTI‘s website/brochure/policies and if you are convinced, apply to join FTI.

    If you believe I’m wrong in my diagnosis, I’m happy to discuss further.

    Regards
    Sanjeev

     
  31. Kumarpushp

    My aims to give dalits a seprate elctorate and seprate settlement away from barbaric hindus.Hindus are born barbaric and no  civilized society can stay with them.They drink cow urine and eat cow shits and have no moral character including their gods and godeses.

     
  32. Kumarpushp

    My aims to give dalits a seprate elctorate and seprate settlement away from barbaric hindus.Hindus are born barbaric and no  civilized society can stay with them.They drink cow urine and eat cow shits and have no moral character including their gods and godeses.

     
  33. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    Dear Kumarpushp

    By making wild generalisations you don’t do your cause any service. Please be specific: identify individuals who have violated particular laws and take them to court.

    Ambedkar is very highly regarded because he took things to a higher level, and worked on system reform. I can’t support your comments and work should you choose to operate at this level.

    Please rise and work on solutions that benefit all of mankind. Do not add to or support hatred. Lead by example. These are my suggestions for your kind consideration.

    Regards
    Sanjeev

     
  34. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    Dear Kumarpushp

    By making wild generalisations you don’t do your cause any service. Please be specific: identify individuals who have violated particular laws and take them to court.

    Ambedkar is very highly regarded because he took things to a higher level, and worked on system reform. I can’t support your comments and work should you choose to operate at this level.

    Please rise and work on solutions that benefit all of mankind. Do not add to or support hatred. Lead by example. These are my suggestions for your kind consideration.

    Regards
    Sanjeev

     
  35. Nikam

    Mr Sanjeev,
    Let me try to reply to your logic.
    "RE: the idea of a hereditary caste system does not form part of the original conceptions of Hinduism and was introduced much later, as a distortion."
    First of all you can not prove this. Secondly even if you can prove it , fact remains that caste system existed for decades of centuries makes it part of Hindu society whether or not it is there in books. All the modern ideas you mentioned in your little essay are found in Buddhist's texts or western schools. None of them are found in Hindu religious texts.
    "RE:
    You, my good friend, are NOT a slave. Please note that when you advocate the false and flawed socialist policy of reservations (based on the nonsensical idea of 'social justice'), you become PARTY TO THE CRIME and INJUSTICE that this represents. By doing so, you also connive with (rather than challenge) the FALSE system of caste that is NOT part of Hinduism as it was and should be. Indeed, by accepting and acknowledging your caste, you become a slave to the distortions of history."
    Trust me , we don't consider ourself slaves. We gave up slavery in 1956 when majority of us rejected Hinduism and accepted Buddhism. Social justice through affirmative action like reservation is the fastest way to bridge gap between haves and have nots which if left alone may become much much wider. What distortion of history are you talking about?

     
  36. Nikam

    Mr Sanjeev,
    Let me try to reply to your logic.
    "RE: the idea of a hereditary caste system does not form part of the original conceptions of Hinduism and was introduced much later, as a distortion."
    First of all you can not prove this. Secondly even if you can prove it , fact remains that caste system existed for decades of centuries makes it part of Hindu society whether or not it is there in books. All the modern ideas you mentioned in your little essay are found in Buddhist's texts or western schools. None of them are found in Hindu religious texts.
    "RE:
    You, my good friend, are NOT a slave. Please note that when you advocate the false and flawed socialist policy of reservations (based on the nonsensical idea of 'social justice'), you become PARTY TO THE CRIME and INJUSTICE that this represents. By doing so, you also connive with (rather than challenge) the FALSE system of caste that is NOT part of Hinduism as it was and should be. Indeed, by accepting and acknowledging your caste, you become a slave to the distortions of history."
    Trust me , we don't consider ourself slaves. We gave up slavery in 1956 when majority of us rejected Hinduism and accepted Buddhism. Social justice through affirmative action like reservation is the fastest way to bridge gap between haves and have nots which if left alone may become much much wider. What distortion of history are you talking about?

     
  37. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    Dear Nikam

    1. “fact remains that caste system existed for decades of centuries makes it part of Hindu society whether or not it is there in books“. That is TRUE. And that’s why (among other reasons) I’m not a Hindu. I prefer not to discriminate against people on the basis of their birth. Only merit should count. In other words, please abandon the caste system. How simple!

    2.”Social justice through affirmative action like reservation is the fastest way to bridge gap between haves and have nots“. This is FALSE. The concept of ‘social justice’ is nonsensical and no one can define it sensibly. Instead, the concept of individual justice makes great sense and even a child can understand it. So, assuming you are now a Buddhist and not a “Hindu” (I use quotation marks since Hinduism is too vast to be defined easily), you are free to stand on your own feet. Even otherwise, you were free to stand on your feet.

    The problem is our socialist model which has crushed the lives of hundreds of millions of people by not ensuring high quality education for everyone. That, I promise, my young friend, if you wish – can be delivered. But not by current political parties. That needs total reform of governance outlined in BFN. So once each child is given high quality education – and deep poverty is ELIMINATED, etc. (see the social insurance package described in my book), then everyone must stand on his/her own feet and compete oin merit. At least then, you’d agree, the reservations must go? That’s what I advocate.

    With current socialist mismanagement, reservations and all other useless programs will continue – and continue to harm India. But with good governance and freedom, these become totally irrelevant.

    Regards
    Sanjeev

     
  38. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    Dear Nikam

    1. “fact remains that caste system existed for decades of centuries makes it part of Hindu society whether or not it is there in books“. That is TRUE. And that’s why (among other reasons) I’m not a Hindu. I prefer not to discriminate against people on the basis of their birth. Only merit should count. In other words, please abandon the caste system. How simple!

    2.”Social justice through affirmative action like reservation is the fastest way to bridge gap between haves and have nots“. This is FALSE. The concept of ‘social justice’ is nonsensical and no one can define it sensibly. Instead, the concept of individual justice makes great sense and even a child can understand it. So, assuming you are now a Buddhist and not a “Hindu” (I use quotation marks since Hinduism is too vast to be defined easily), you are free to stand on your own feet. Even otherwise, you were free to stand on your feet.

    The problem is our socialist model which has crushed the lives of hundreds of millions of people by not ensuring high quality education for everyone. That, I promise, my young friend, if you wish – can be delivered. But not by current political parties. That needs total reform of governance outlined in BFN. So once each child is given high quality education – and deep poverty is ELIMINATED, etc. (see the social insurance package described in my book), then everyone must stand on his/her own feet and compete oin merit. At least then, you’d agree, the reservations must go? That’s what I advocate.

    With current socialist mismanagement, reservations and all other useless programs will continue – and continue to harm India. But with good governance and freedom, these become totally irrelevant.

    Regards
    Sanjeev

     
  39. Nikam

    "RE:TODAY PLEASE BECOME A FREE MAN. Yes, today, not tomorrow. Not when you have squeezed out more undue benefits from the 'reservations' system for yourself and your children, but TODAY.If, however, it is sheer GREED for reserved seats that makes you stick to a FLAWED version of Hinduism, then you are CONTEMPTIBLE and deserve the calumny that is often attributed to your caste by ignorant fools. You can't have your cake and eat it too. You can't claim to want to be treated with respect, but want reservations too."
    Reservation is always seen in bad lights by ignorants. You have to fully understand existing impact of caste system and other social evils on Dalis. If you think a Dalit picking up garbage from streets will become free and happy in one single day if he starts believing he is free, then I pity your intellect. A dalit person will not feel proud in carrying bucket with shit on his head, but if villegers force him to do that under pretext of violence and social outcast then he is forced to do that. Reservation provides him an opportunity for his kids to get rid of such dirty jobs. Caste violence and prejudice is a reality even in 2011. Check below link for lattest update on a caste violence case that is yet far from over.
    http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/health/mirchpur-violence-dalits-leave-village-fearing-jat-threat_100493945.html
    Reservation does provide some facilities to creamy layer formed in dalis over past few decades, but is it justice to scrap reservation for all dalis just because you are jealous about creamy layer in dalits. Also remember this creamy layer in dalits forms a economical force which is supposed to help dalits in remote villeges living in poor inhuman conditions. The best way to prove reservation wrong would be a social movement from upper caste people to really nullify caste system at grass root level. But we haven't seen any upper caste organisation doing that including RSS, BJP. I dont see BJP ever asking questions on caste atrocities to the government even in the case of Khairlanji like incidents where there was a rape on minor, brutal lynching of 4 members of a dalit family just because they tried using laws to protect themselves.

     
  40. Nikam

    "RE:TODAY PLEASE BECOME A FREE MAN. Yes, today, not tomorrow. Not when you have squeezed out more undue benefits from the 'reservations' system for yourself and your children, but TODAY.If, however, it is sheer GREED for reserved seats that makes you stick to a FLAWED version of Hinduism, then you are CONTEMPTIBLE and deserve the calumny that is often attributed to your caste by ignorant fools. You can't have your cake and eat it too. You can't claim to want to be treated with respect, but want reservations too."
    Reservation is always seen in bad lights by ignorants. You have to fully understand existing impact of caste system and other social evils on Dalis. If you think a Dalit picking up garbage from streets will become free and happy in one single day if he starts believing he is free, then I pity your intellect. A dalit person will not feel proud in carrying bucket with shit on his head, but if villegers force him to do that under pretext of violence and social outcast then he is forced to do that. Reservation provides him an opportunity for his kids to get rid of such dirty jobs. Caste violence and prejudice is a reality even in 2011. Check below link for lattest update on a caste violence case that is yet far from over.
    http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/health/mirchpur-violence-dalits-leave-village-fearing-jat-threat_100493945.html
    Reservation does provide some facilities to creamy layer formed in dalis over past few decades, but is it justice to scrap reservation for all dalis just because you are jealous about creamy layer in dalits. Also remember this creamy layer in dalits forms a economical force which is supposed to help dalits in remote villeges living in poor inhuman conditions. The best way to prove reservation wrong would be a social movement from upper caste people to really nullify caste system at grass root level. But we haven't seen any upper caste organisation doing that including RSS, BJP. I dont see BJP ever asking questions on caste atrocities to the government even in the case of Khairlanji like incidents where there was a rape on minor, brutal lynching of 4 members of a dalit family just because they tried using laws to protect themselves.

     
  41. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    Dear Nikam

    I don’t come to this issue from any “jealousy” about anyone. Far from it! I FULLY understand the oppression that occurs against the “Dalits”.
    Indeed, if I had any such motivation (jealousy!) I’d deserve to be pitied for a poor intellect, as you rightly point out. Only a fool will deny the reality of India’s multitude of social problems. But I NEVER talk about creamy layer or such trite rubbish. I talk about first principles. Always start with first principles.

    And so I come to this (and all other issues) from the theoretical perspective of freedom and justice. I also come to this from the perspective of leadership and call upon all oppressed people to STAND UP and demand to be treated with equality and respect. That is very hard, but I’m afraid no one ever gave anyone respect in a platter. It has to be demanded – earned; INSISTED UPON.

    Self-respect must begin inside the heart. Then it will translate outside. And the best way to demonstrate self-respect is to SPIT on the concept of caste and to insist that you are merely a human – a much higher status. That also means REFUSING to take charity (reservations are a form of charity). NEVER allow anyone to have pity on you. You have a healthy body and healthy mind, then do whatever it takes to earn a living but never stretch out your hand. This is hard, and may not make you rich, but it will teach you and your children the greatest virtue of all: self-respect.

    The moment you take charity you become a beggar, and you are FINISHED for life. Over, my friend. No one can then ever save you from slavery.

    Forget BJP/RSS etc. Who are these people? What is their status? Who are they to determine your fate?

    ONLY YOU DETERMINE YOUR POSITION IN LIFE. The day you realise it, you will become a free man, my friend.

    Regards
    Sanjeev

     
  42. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    Dear Nikam

    I don’t come to this issue from any “jealousy” about anyone. Far from it! I FULLY understand the oppression that occurs against the “Dalits”.
    Indeed, if I had any such motivation (jealousy!) I’d deserve to be pitied for a poor intellect, as you rightly point out. Only a fool will deny the reality of India’s multitude of social problems. But I NEVER talk about creamy layer or such trite rubbish. I talk about first principles. Always start with first principles.

    And so I come to this (and all other issues) from the theoretical perspective of freedom and justice. I also come to this from the perspective of leadership and call upon all oppressed people to STAND UP and demand to be treated with equality and respect. That is very hard, but I’m afraid no one ever gave anyone respect in a platter. It has to be demanded – earned; INSISTED UPON.

    Self-respect must begin inside the heart. Then it will translate outside. And the best way to demonstrate self-respect is to SPIT on the concept of caste and to insist that you are merely a human – a much higher status. That also means REFUSING to take charity (reservations are a form of charity). NEVER allow anyone to have pity on you. You have a healthy body and healthy mind, then do whatever it takes to earn a living but never stretch out your hand. This is hard, and may not make you rich, but it will teach you and your children the greatest virtue of all: self-respect.

    The moment you take charity you become a beggar, and you are FINISHED for life. Over, my friend. No one can then ever save you from slavery.

    Forget BJP/RSS etc. Who are these people? What is their status? Who are they to determine your fate?

    ONLY YOU DETERMINE YOUR POSITION IN LIFE. The day you realise it, you will become a free man, my friend.

    Regards
    Sanjeev

     
  43. Kumarpushp

    Dear Sanjeev, 160 million dalits donot want to wait for 3000 year to get justice in Hindu India.India is a not a nation but nation within the nation so please help 160 million dalit to have own home land where they can stay away from barbaric hindus and save their abrus from barbaric people.I think America and europe should armed the dalits and tribals to get librated from Hindu states and their people.

     
  44. Kumarpushp

    Dear Sanjeev, 160 million dalits donot want to wait for 3000 year to get justice in Hindu India.India is a not a nation but nation within the nation so please help 160 million dalit to have own home land where they can stay away from barbaric hindus and save their abrus from barbaric people.I think America and europe should armed the dalits and tribals to get librated from Hindu states and their people.

     
  45. Dr Tenzin Gogoi

    @Kumarpushp you say India is a Nation within a Nation,then why do you still want to create a Dalit Nation?
    Secondly why do you Blame all Hindus everyone is not that so Bad!!
    I just wanted to correct you please DONOT reply me as I donot want to get into an argument with you,I know you are superior so please donot reply!!

     
  46. Dr Tenzin Gogoi

    @Kumarpushp you say India is a Nation within a Nation,then why do you still want to create a Dalit Nation?
    Secondly why do you Blame all Hindus everyone is not that so Bad!!
    I just wanted to correct you please DONOT reply me as I donot want to get into an argument with you,I know you are superior so please donot reply!!

     
  47. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    Dear Kumarpush

    I think you can’t make generalised comments about anyone, such as about so-called “barbaric Hindus”. There is the rule of law in India (or it is supposed to be), and individual cases should be brought to book by reporting to the Police. Extending claims to an entire religious group is a form of stereotyping, and such generaliastion is always incorrect. There are all kinds of people within each ‘group’. So please stick to the facts of each case.

    I do understand where you are coming from, though, and I am happy to support you fully in getting better education for “Dalits” and in their achieving a level of respect in society. That can’t be done through civil war of the sort you are suggesting (which will merely cause enormous harm to everyone, including the Dalits, without making an iota of improvement for anyone), but through the hustings.

    India was fundementally conceptualised as a liberal democracy by Dr Ambedkar and the other authors of our constitution, but was soon distorted by the socialists. Have you read BFN yet? If not please do so first before discussing further.

    As far as I know (and I’m not on top of each political issue in India), a significant number of “Dalits” have been elected to parliament, but except for very few, most have been SOCIALISTS. That merely adds to the problems experienced by “Dalits”, since that means that they CAN’T POSSIBLY get good quality education.

    You need to have a theory of state and a theory of public policy BEFORE you proceed further. Even assuming that you get “liberated from Hindu states and their people” what would “your” government do that is DIFFERENT to what the current governments do in India? That is the key question. If you don’t have a good alternative model of the state, you’ll make things far worse.

    The classical liberal model is purely focused on good governance and freedom for all. That model WILL work for India. That model does not believe in violent revolution unless things totally warrant it. Despite all its shortcomings, the current Indian system DOES NOT warrant violent overthrow. It requires good people with a good model of governance to contest elections and run the government.

    Regards
    Sanjeev

     
  48. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    Dear Kumarpush

    I think you can’t make generalised comments about anyone, such as about so-called “barbaric Hindus”. There is the rule of law in India (or it is supposed to be), and individual cases should be brought to book by reporting to the Police. Extending claims to an entire religious group is a form of stereotyping, and such generaliastion is always incorrect. There are all kinds of people within each ‘group’. So please stick to the facts of each case.

    I do understand where you are coming from, though, and I am happy to support you fully in getting better education for “Dalits” and in their achieving a level of respect in society. That can’t be done through civil war of the sort you are suggesting (which will merely cause enormous harm to everyone, including the Dalits, without making an iota of improvement for anyone), but through the hustings.

    India was fundementally conceptualised as a liberal democracy by Dr Ambedkar and the other authors of our constitution, but was soon distorted by the socialists. Have you read BFN yet? If not please do so first before discussing further.

    As far as I know (and I’m not on top of each political issue in India), a significant number of “Dalits” have been elected to parliament, but except for very few, most have been SOCIALISTS. That merely adds to the problems experienced by “Dalits”, since that means that they CAN’T POSSIBLY get good quality education.

    You need to have a theory of state and a theory of public policy BEFORE you proceed further. Even assuming that you get “liberated from Hindu states and their people” what would “your” government do that is DIFFERENT to what the current governments do in India? That is the key question. If you don’t have a good alternative model of the state, you’ll make things far worse.

    The classical liberal model is purely focused on good governance and freedom for all. That model WILL work for India. That model does not believe in violent revolution unless things totally warrant it. Despite all its shortcomings, the current Indian system DOES NOT warrant violent overthrow. It requires good people with a good model of governance to contest elections and run the government.

    Regards
    Sanjeev

     
  49. Nikam

    We abandoned our caste long back, first by abolishing it in constitution (by our dearest Dr. Ambedkar) and then giving up Hindu folds , so I don't understand what more you expect from us for ABANDONING it. If you are asking us to give up reservation immediately, I would say you are asking mass poor population to give up their only hope for a better life in current situation. And I would suggest you to first include possible ways to immediately nullify the oppression that Dalits faces. We faced oppression even after we are no more Hindus. An incident like Khairlanji explains that caste massacre happens because majority of Hindus (all four varna's) still consider caste system as very part of their religion and day to day business. In case of Khairlanji an attempt by new Buddhists to use their constitutional right and consciousness about law to report the incident of assault on a member of community was answered by almost all the people of village with mass rape of a mother and teenager daughter and mob lynching. The law and order system clearly denied justice when atrocity act was not applied and rape charges were not applied. In such situation I would deny giving up reservation as it is a ladder that such people can use to climb out of such existence.

    I agree with part that when each child starts getting high quality education, irrespective of his/her parent's economical status, equal in all the aspects then only merit should count and reservation would be a history. However your original article doesn't mention this. In article you are clearly asking Dalits to give up something just because you have a new plan for the country that demands it as almost primary if not first step. And your article is implying that somehow retention of caste system and it's ill effects in last 62 years is a problem that is caused by Dalits doing some error and there is really no one pushing it down our throats. I have serious issues with it. Caste and slavery exists because people who benefit from it try hard to keep it and not because its victims demand compensation.

    The problem that you are blaming Nehru's policy for are actually because of social inequalities and it's resultant economic inequalities that were present in India when it got independence. Hindu society and its leaders (both left and right wing) are really responsible for not giving enough importance and action to social reforms. I guess Mr. Nehru did what he thought is needed to keep country together.

    Regards,
    Amitkumar Nikam.

     
  50. Nikam

    We abandoned our caste long back, first by abolishing it in constitution (by our dearest Dr. Ambedkar) and then giving up Hindu folds , so I don't understand what more you expect from us for ABANDONING it. If you are asking us to give up reservation immediately, I would say you are asking mass poor population to give up their only hope for a better life in current situation. And I would suggest you to first include possible ways to immediately nullify the oppression that Dalits faces. We faced oppression even after we are no more Hindus. An incident like Khairlanji explains that caste massacre happens because majority of Hindus (all four varna's) still consider caste system as very part of their religion and day to day business. In case of Khairlanji an attempt by new Buddhists to use their constitutional right and consciousness about law to report the incident of assault on a member of community was answered by almost all the people of village with mass rape of a mother and teenager daughter and mob lynching. The law and order system clearly denied justice when atrocity act was not applied and rape charges were not applied. In such situation I would deny giving up reservation as it is a ladder that such people can use to climb out of such existence.

    I agree with part that when each child starts getting high quality education, irrespective of his/her parent's economical status, equal in all the aspects then only merit should count and reservation would be a history. However your original article doesn't mention this. In article you are clearly asking Dalits to give up something just because you have a new plan for the country that demands it as almost primary if not first step. And your article is implying that somehow retention of caste system and it's ill effects in last 62 years is a problem that is caused by Dalits doing some error and there is really no one pushing it down our throats. I have serious issues with it. Caste and slavery exists because people who benefit from it try hard to keep it and not because its victims demand compensation.

    The problem that you are blaming Nehru's policy for are actually because of social inequalities and it's resultant economic inequalities that were present in India when it got independence. Hindu society and its leaders (both left and right wing) are really responsible for not giving enough importance and action to social reforms. I guess Mr. Nehru did what he thought is needed to keep country together.

    Regards,
    Amitkumar Nikam.

     
  51. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    Dear Amit

    Glad to know that you've renounced the system that disrespects you. Standing up as a proud human is the first and in my view, the most important step, to achieving freedom.

    That doesn't fit in with your insistence on being "compensated" through a system that requires you to identify your caste. If you've discarded the caste, then the caste must GO. Period.

    Compensation is a very confused idea in this case. A person today who doesn't believe in the caste system should NOT be asked to compensate for something his ancestors might have done ages ago. On the other hand if a particular crime is CURRENTLY conducted, then the government is obliged to address it TODAY, and to compensate the crime today. The fact that this doesn't occur is well know to me and that is why I am working for a governance system where law and order is FULLY UPHELD. Don't expect me to justify the rotten justice and governance system of socialist India. You either work with me for a better governance system or live with what you have. I'm NOT responsible for the mess you see in India.

    Re: the fact that I've said that reservations should continue till HIGH QUALITY education (and elimination of poverty) is ensured for every Indian is not new. I wrote about it long ago in my writings, particularly in my Freedom First article (check this website). But in my view that won't take more than 3-5 years of a government of the sort I have outlined in BFN. Once the things I've outlined in BFN are in place, the idea of reservations must go. Second, this “solution” is not because I agree this is desirable – for it still converts the “lower castes” into self-demeaning beggars – but because no one is going to remove it anyway before high quality education is first ensured.

    If you are enamoured of Nehru then so be it. I'll leave you and other socialists to their fate. 

    Confused thinking is not going to get India anywhere. The caste system must go, but it is NOT a job for the government to undertake. However, by providing high quality education to everyone, its demise will be expedited.

    Regards

    Sanjeev

     
  52. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    Dear Amit

    Glad to know that you've renounced the system that disrespects you. Standing up as a proud human is the first and in my view, the most important step, to achieving freedom.

    That doesn't fit in with your insistence on being "compensated" through a system that requires you to identify your caste. If you've discarded the caste, then the caste must GO. Period.

    Compensation is a very confused idea in this case. A person today who doesn't believe in the caste system should NOT be asked to compensate for something his ancestors might have done ages ago. On the other hand if a particular crime is CURRENTLY conducted, then the government is obliged to address it TODAY, and to compensate the crime today. The fact that this doesn't occur is well know to me and that is why I am working for a governance system where law and order is FULLY UPHELD. Don't expect me to justify the rotten justice and governance system of socialist India. You either work with me for a better governance system or live with what you have. I'm NOT responsible for the mess you see in India.

    Re: the fact that I've said that reservations should continue till HIGH QUALITY education (and elimination of poverty) is ensured for every Indian is not new. I wrote about it long ago in my writings, particularly in my Freedom First article (check this website). But in my view that won't take more than 3-5 years of a government of the sort I have outlined in BFN. Once the things I've outlined in BFN are in place, the idea of reservations must go. Second, this “solution” is not because I agree this is desirable – for it still converts the “lower castes” into self-demeaning beggars – but because no one is going to remove it anyway before high quality education is first ensured.

    If you are enamoured of Nehru then so be it. I'll leave you and other socialists to their fate. 

    Confused thinking is not going to get India anywhere. The caste system must go, but it is NOT a job for the government to undertake. However, by providing high quality education to everyone, its demise will be expedited.

    Regards

    Sanjeev

     
  53. Kumarpushp

    Dr Tanzin,you are as barbaric as your hindu clans ,dalits are fighting this war with hindus for last 3000 years ,yes India is a nation within the nation means dalits should get dalitstan,muslims should get kashmeer ,naga should get Nagaland and same as mani puri why hindus should rule non hindus.Hindus are as corrupt as their gods and godeses.

     
  54. Kumarpushp

    Dr Tanzin,you are as barbaric as your hindu clans ,dalits are fighting this war with hindus for last 3000 years ,yes India is a nation within the nation means dalits should get dalitstan,muslims should get kashmeer ,naga should get Nagaland and same as mani puri why hindus should rule non hindus.Hindus are as corrupt as their gods and godeses.

     
  55. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    Dear Kumarpushp

    Why do you talk in this tone? Please calm down. Dr Gogoi is a fine doctor who has been debating issues on this blog for some time. Please leave him alone. He is not ‘barbaric’. You don’t make friends this way, nor help your cause.

    If you want to promote separatism, you’ll find it impossible to organise, since no one will secede their land to anyone. What you should do is to get the “Dalits” highly educated, then become a Bill Gates, and buy up all the land you need. Please use civilised methods – of trade and exchange.

    I wish the “Dalits” had an Ambedkar today. He and I would have got along very well. Please become as learned as he was, as noble as he was. You’ll then find people following you in the millions. With this tone, even the “Dalits” will abandon you.

    Our task is to free people so they can live in harmony, not to create barriers to harmony.

    Regards
    Sanjeev

     
  56. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    Dear Kumarpushp

    Why do you talk in this tone? Please calm down. Dr Gogoi is a fine doctor who has been debating issues on this blog for some time. Please leave him alone. He is not ‘barbaric’. You don’t make friends this way, nor help your cause.

    If you want to promote separatism, you’ll find it impossible to organise, since no one will secede their land to anyone. What you should do is to get the “Dalits” highly educated, then become a Bill Gates, and buy up all the land you need. Please use civilised methods – of trade and exchange.

    I wish the “Dalits” had an Ambedkar today. He and I would have got along very well. Please become as learned as he was, as noble as he was. You’ll then find people following you in the millions. With this tone, even the “Dalits” will abandon you.

    Our task is to free people so they can live in harmony, not to create barriers to harmony.

    Regards
    Sanjeev

     
  57. Kumarpushp

    Dear sanjeev, 120 million muslims are in India but none of atrocities done on dalits by muslims ,other hand 100% atrocities done by hindus on dalits so what you will called hindus?.every 6 hour ,one dalit woman is being raped by barbaric hindus,and every 12 hour one dalit man is being killed by hindu. you had mentioned that go to court where high court ,Supremecourt ,All court is being run by hindus who are saving their hindu clans .Look at the killing of 12 dalit men by Hindu police man in Bombay, Nagpur kiling of Buddhist family,Gohana killing in haryana.dalits are being killed by hindus in day in and in day out.Bodh gaya temple which belongs to Buddhist still occupied by hindus .All hindu temle belongs to Buddhist including Puri ,badri Nath ,kedar Nath.Hindus did not built any things ,they are like snakes who always live some body else House.India is failed state  . SiMMi was banned in India but Hindu terrorist organisation including RSS are  free to kill muslims,dalits and minorities in India.with the help of seprate electorate ,dalits can solve some problems so my openion ,dalits should get ready to fight for seprate electorate first then think of Plan B.

     
  58. Kumarpushp

    Dear sanjeev, 120 million muslims are in India but none of atrocities done on dalits by muslims ,other hand 100% atrocities done by hindus on dalits so what you will called hindus?.every 6 hour ,one dalit woman is being raped by barbaric hindus,and every 12 hour one dalit man is being killed by hindu. you had mentioned that go to court where high court ,Supremecourt ,All court is being run by hindus who are saving their hindu clans .Look at the killing of 12 dalit men by Hindu police man in Bombay, Nagpur kiling of Buddhist family,Gohana killing in haryana.dalits are being killed by hindus in day in and in day out.Bodh gaya temple which belongs to Buddhist still occupied by hindus .All hindu temle belongs to Buddhist including Puri ,badri Nath ,kedar Nath.Hindus did not built any things ,they are like snakes who always live some body else House.India is failed state  . SiMMi was banned in India but Hindu terrorist organisation including RSS are  free to kill muslims,dalits and minorities in India.with the help of seprate electorate ,dalits can solve some problems so my openion ,dalits should get ready to fight for seprate electorate first then think of Plan B.

     
  59. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    Dear Kumarpushp

    Re: “every 6 hour ,one dalit woman is being raped by barbaric hindus,and every 12 hour one dalit man is being killed by hindu”.

    How do these figures (assuming these are true) stack up against the total crime in India? India is massive country, and in the normal course of an year, tens of thousands of killings/rapes occur as part of “normal” crime. I remember in Assam that over 500 murders took place each year.

    Just checked: http://www.nationmaster.com/country/in-india/cri-crime

    If these figures are correct, then 15,468 rapes take place in India. If 4 “Dalits” are raped each day (one every six hours) that gives 1460 rapes. In other words over 90% of the rapes in India are of NON-DALITS. Similarly for murders. That would mean the dalits are GROSSLY UNDER-REPRESENTED in the “normal” crime that occurs in India.

    Let’s get the facts right and then we should discuss further. Can you please confirm the PROPORTION of crime against “Dalits” out of the total crime in India? Also, where is your source to claim that “none of atrocities done on dalits by muslims”? I’d like to see the facts before commenting further.

    Regards
    Sanjeev

     
  60. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    Dear Kumarpushp

    Re: “every 6 hour ,one dalit woman is being raped by barbaric hindus,and every 12 hour one dalit man is being killed by hindu”.

    How do these figures (assuming these are true) stack up against the total crime in India? India is massive country, and in the normal course of an year, tens of thousands of killings/rapes occur as part of “normal” crime. I remember in Assam that over 500 murders took place each year.

    Just checked: http://www.nationmaster.com/country/in-india/cri-crime

    If these figures are correct, then 15,468 rapes take place in India. If 4 “Dalits” are raped each day (one every six hours) that gives 1460 rapes. In other words over 90% of the rapes in India are of NON-DALITS. Similarly for murders. That would mean the dalits are GROSSLY UNDER-REPRESENTED in the “normal” crime that occurs in India.

    Let’s get the facts right and then we should discuss further. Can you please confirm the PROPORTION of crime against “Dalits” out of the total crime in India? Also, where is your source to claim that “none of atrocities done on dalits by muslims”? I’d like to see the facts before commenting further.

    Regards
    Sanjeev

     
  61. Kumarpushp

    Dear sanjeev,  This datas was given by Hindu led government in Parliament in written reply to Mr Paswan.160 million dalits are in India out 160 million dalits  ,80% land less labour who are depend on landlord with salary of 50 to 100 rupees per day and some bodyget sick means he has to pay 600 rupees for simple antibiotic Augmentin for 5 days, so you can think of condtion of dalits without lands.This is matter of urgency , that dalits should get seprate county where they will have at least 15 acres of land where can live peacefully away from barbaric People.so you must think what is most important for dalits in India .dalits will not able to win the war against the hindus without foreign help.it is true no government will give land to dalits in plate ,for that dalit intellectuals should  and must read !(* 198 METHODS OF NON VIOLENT PROTEST AND PERSUATIOB BY GENE SHARP.,Indian government had accepted the datas in UN and other Places.so Please Join and give your sweat and blood for septate electorate and seprate county for dalits where dalits can stay away from barbaric people.

     
  62. Kumarpushp

    Dear sanjeev,  This datas was given by Hindu led government in Parliament in written reply to Mr Paswan.160 million dalits are in India out 160 million dalits  ,80% land less labour who are depend on landlord with salary of 50 to 100 rupees per day and some bodyget sick means he has to pay 600 rupees for simple antibiotic Augmentin for 5 days, so you can think of condtion of dalits without lands.This is matter of urgency , that dalits should get seprate county where they will have at least 15 acres of land where can live peacefully away from barbaric People.so you must think what is most important for dalits in India .dalits will not able to win the war against the hindus without foreign help.it is true no government will give land to dalits in plate ,for that dalit intellectuals should  and must read !(* 198 METHODS OF NON VIOLENT PROTEST AND PERSUATIOB BY GENE SHARP.,Indian government had accepted the datas in UN and other Places.so Please Join and give your sweat and blood for septate electorate and seprate county for dalits where dalits can stay away from barbaric people.

     
  63. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    Dear Kumarpushp

    I have pointed out in a number of places that the emphasis on land is heavily misplaced. Modern societies are not agricultural but industrial/services oriented. Please get the “Dalits” off the land. Let them get high quality education (along with all others), and find jobs in factories and the services sector. No one should be talking about land these days. We need to get people out of villages and into cities. That can only happen by educating them.

    You are talking the language of the socialists of the 1950s in India. They were wrong in their diagnosis. You are worse – because you are talking this language 60 years later!

    The world CHANGED COMPLETELY from around 1750. India is still trying to live in the agricultural society. That doesn’t/ won’t work.

    We need to follow the example of Japan which switched most people from agriculture to far more productive occupations about 100-150 years ago. That is even happening in China today.

    In brief, I don’t see your point since you are not demonstrating knowledge of the way the world has changed. Instead, I would suggest you focus on educating everyone (including “Dalits”) and ensuring that people move to the cities and perform high value jobs.

    Regards
    Sanjeev

     
  64. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    Dear Kumarpushp

    I have pointed out in a number of places that the emphasis on land is heavily misplaced. Modern societies are not agricultural but industrial/services oriented. Please get the “Dalits” off the land. Let them get high quality education (along with all others), and find jobs in factories and the services sector. No one should be talking about land these days. We need to get people out of villages and into cities. That can only happen by educating them.

    You are talking the language of the socialists of the 1950s in India. They were wrong in their diagnosis. You are worse – because you are talking this language 60 years later!

    The world CHANGED COMPLETELY from around 1750. India is still trying to live in the agricultural society. That doesn’t/ won’t work.

    We need to follow the example of Japan which switched most people from agriculture to far more productive occupations about 100-150 years ago. That is even happening in China today.

    In brief, I don’t see your point since you are not demonstrating knowledge of the way the world has changed. Instead, I would suggest you focus on educating everyone (including “Dalits”) and ensuring that people move to the cities and perform high value jobs.

    Regards
    Sanjeev

     
  65. Kumarpushp

    Dear sanjeev, you are talking like Politician in India ,How dalits can send their children school when there is no bread at home .80% of 160 million dalits are working as farm  as a bonded labour at county side so without the alternative resources dalits can NOT come out FROM COUNTY SIDE .about 25% of Indian population require seprate place and security where they can send there children school.4 scheme of UPA government is being deliberately killed by hindus and their hindu led government.Schemes are RURAL EMPLOYMENT GUARANTEE SCHEME(RS 121861 CRORES )SERVE SHIKSHA ABHIYAN (RS 54371 CRORES),NATIONAL RURAL HEALTH MISSION (RS 51417 CRORES),INTEGRATED CHILD DEVELOPMENT SERVICES(RS 27384 CRORES).IF DALITS INTELLECTUALS OR DALITS COUNTY WOULD HAVE GOT HALF OF MONY MEANS DALITS COUNTY WOULD HAVE BEEN EQUAL TO JAPAN .FOUR MEGA SCHEME FAILED BECAUSE OF HINDUS AND THEIR HINDU LED GOVERNMENT IN INDIA SO MY HUMBLE REQUEST YOU TO JOIN WITH THE US FOR SEPRATE ELECTORATE AND SEPRATE SETTLEMENT AWARNESS PROGREMME  FOR 160 MILLION DALITS.ALL HINDU LED PARTY ,S  ARE HINDU TERRORIST PARTY WHO WANT DALITS TO BE SLAVES OF HINDUS AND THEIR HINDU RELIGION .

     
  66. Kumarpushp

    Dear sanjeev, you are talking like Politician in India ,How dalits can send their children school when there is no bread at home .80% of 160 million dalits are working as farm  as a bonded labour at county side so without the alternative resources dalits can NOT come out FROM COUNTY SIDE .about 25% of Indian population require seprate place and security where they can send there children school.4 scheme of UPA government is being deliberately killed by hindus and their hindu led government.Schemes are RURAL EMPLOYMENT GUARANTEE SCHEME(RS 121861 CRORES )SERVE SHIKSHA ABHIYAN (RS 54371 CRORES),NATIONAL RURAL HEALTH MISSION (RS 51417 CRORES),INTEGRATED CHILD DEVELOPMENT SERVICES(RS 27384 CRORES).IF DALITS INTELLECTUALS OR DALITS COUNTY WOULD HAVE GOT HALF OF MONY MEANS DALITS COUNTY WOULD HAVE BEEN EQUAL TO JAPAN .FOUR MEGA SCHEME FAILED BECAUSE OF HINDUS AND THEIR HINDU LED GOVERNMENT IN INDIA SO MY HUMBLE REQUEST YOU TO JOIN WITH THE US FOR SEPRATE ELECTORATE AND SEPRATE SETTLEMENT AWARNESS PROGREMME  FOR 160 MILLION DALITS.ALL HINDU LED PARTY ,S  ARE HINDU TERRORIST PARTY WHO WANT DALITS TO BE SLAVES OF HINDUS AND THEIR HINDU RELIGION .

     
  67. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    Dear Kumarpush,

    I wish I was talking like a “politician” – because I’d like to be one. The reality is that very few people in India see its problems with the long-term perspective that I see them with. Most people adamantly refuse to read my book/s or other writings and try to understand what I’m suggesting.

    I’m NOT suggesting even one thing for the harm of India. EVERYTHING I say is for the welfare of ALL the people of India, “Dalits” included.

    Why don’t you read BFN first and then find out whether your question is not answered already, namely, “How dalits can send their children school when there is no bread at home?”

    Please take time off to read my book. You are simply not trying to understand what I’m suggesting. I’m offering a solution that will take India to GREAT PROSPERITY. You are insisting on comparing my ideas with those of useless socialist politicians who have got UTTERLY USELESS schemes such as REGS, etc.

    I’m talking in one language, but you are interpreting me in another! You think I am a socialist who will cheat you, dupe you, etc. Why Sir, why would I do that? If I wanted to I would have stayed in India, joined a gang of crooks such as Congress and made CRORES of black money, and generally looted India while preventing the functioning of an education system that delivers. That’s what these USELESS Indian politicians have done to India and to you.

    Do me a small favour, please. Please read BFN first. The next time you write, please confirm that you’ve read it word by word, and understood it. Only then should you discuss further, since you are thinking I’m a “Hindu” or “socialist” crook, but I’m none of these. I’m offering a TOTALLY different solution.

    Regards
    Sanjeev

     
  68. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    Dear Kumarpush,

    I wish I was talking like a “politician” – because I’d like to be one. The reality is that very few people in India see its problems with the long-term perspective that I see them with. Most people adamantly refuse to read my book/s or other writings and try to understand what I’m suggesting.

    I’m NOT suggesting even one thing for the harm of India. EVERYTHING I say is for the welfare of ALL the people of India, “Dalits” included.

    Why don’t you read BFN first and then find out whether your question is not answered already, namely, “How dalits can send their children school when there is no bread at home?”

    Please take time off to read my book. You are simply not trying to understand what I’m suggesting. I’m offering a solution that will take India to GREAT PROSPERITY. You are insisting on comparing my ideas with those of useless socialist politicians who have got UTTERLY USELESS schemes such as REGS, etc.

    I’m talking in one language, but you are interpreting me in another! You think I am a socialist who will cheat you, dupe you, etc. Why Sir, why would I do that? If I wanted to I would have stayed in India, joined a gang of crooks such as Congress and made CRORES of black money, and generally looted India while preventing the functioning of an education system that delivers. That’s what these USELESS Indian politicians have done to India and to you.

    Do me a small favour, please. Please read BFN first. The next time you write, please confirm that you’ve read it word by word, and understood it. Only then should you discuss further, since you are thinking I’m a “Hindu” or “socialist” crook, but I’m none of these. I’m offering a TOTALLY different solution.

    Regards
    Sanjeev

     
  69. Kumarpushp

    Dear Sanjeev, I donot have any intrest if somebody is hindus or not,we as friend of dalits want 160 million dalits should stand on their own legs in their own county .we want a government for dalits by dalits .why hindus should rule non hindus in India.at the moment ,dalit houses are being burnt by hindus so we have to save the dalit houses first, then think of some body else.I am talking about reality in india and I donot give any shits to Hindustan or any Hindus or any Hindu religion  .India is bikau mal and hindus are selling it but dalits donot have any land to buy it.Please Join with 160 million dalits and named and shamed the Hindu led government in world.

     
  70. Kumarpushp

    Dear Sanjeev, I donot have any intrest if somebody is hindus or not,we as friend of dalits want 160 million dalits should stand on their own legs in their own county .we want a government for dalits by dalits .why hindus should rule non hindus in India.at the moment ,dalit houses are being burnt by hindus so we have to save the dalit houses first, then think of some body else.I am talking about reality in india and I donot give any shits to Hindustan or any Hindus or any Hindu religion  .India is bikau mal and hindus are selling it but dalits donot have any land to buy it.Please Join with 160 million dalits and named and shamed the Hindu led government in world.

     
  71. mitch

    kumarpushp, such hatred and bigotry is not good for your heart and mind. Really, chill out man, and do something POSITIVE in your life.
     
    (btw, sanjeev, have you checked the IP of this guy ? is he writing from within India ?).
     

     

     
  72. mitch

    kumarpushp, such hatred and bigotry is not good for your heart and mind. Really, chill out man, and do something POSITIVE in your life.
     
    (btw, sanjeev, have you checked the IP of this guy ? is he writing from within India ?).
     

     

     
  73. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    Mitch

    I don’t know how to check IPs, but I searched google and found this about Kumarpushp’s IP

    IP Information – 89.101.19.217
    Host name 089-101-019217.ntlworld.ie
    Country Ireland
    Country Code IE
    Region Limerick
    City Limerick

    That would indicate (I’m not sure what it means) that Kumarpush is located in Ireland! Absurd.

    Kumarpushp can you please confirm your whereabouts?

    Regards
    Sanjeev

     
  74. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    Mitch

    I don’t know how to check IPs, but I searched google and found this about Kumarpushp’s IP

    IP Information – 89.101.19.217
    Host name 089-101-019217.ntlworld.ie
    Country Ireland
    Country Code IE
    Region Limerick
    City Limerick

    That would indicate (I’m not sure what it means) that Kumarpush is located in Ireland! Absurd.

    Kumarpushp can you please confirm your whereabouts?

    Regards
    Sanjeev

     
  75. Kumarpushp

    Dear Mitch, if you are Indian then you might be knowing how 160 million dalits are living in india and for your kind information ,Mr sanjeev is writing about 160 million dalits who are persecuted nationalitties denied human rights.every dalits have right to defend their himan rights and no body will give their IP address without asking.

     
  76. Kumarpushp

    Dear Mitch, if you are Indian then you might be knowing how 160 million dalits are living in india and for your kind information ,Mr sanjeev is writing about 160 million dalits who are persecuted nationalitties denied human rights.every dalits have right to defend their himan rights and no body will give their IP address without asking.

     
  77. Kumarpushp

    Dear sanjeev,
    Dr Ambedkar is my baba and Mr kanshi Ram is my Dada and Buddha is my Pagamber .I belong to Dalit Voice Parivar which is being published by banglore by V.T.Rajshekhar.if your hindu clans want to see me they can meet me in Lucknow on 24 th April ,2011 .we are organising UP state level Dalit Voice members meet .I will suggest you ,Please  take a memberships of Dalit Voice ,fortnightly magzine which was established in 1981 and our editor was put in jail and his passport was confiscated for 20 by hindu led government in india.Please have a look dalit voice which is available free on internet. It is useless to ask my where about .Those who want to write about dalits they must read Dr Ambedkar 22 vows and his 22 volumes which was published by maharasthra Government..for your hindu clans ,i am not from pakistan.

     
  78. Kumarpushp

    Dear sanjeev,
    Dr Ambedkar is my baba and Mr kanshi Ram is my Dada and Buddha is my Pagamber .I belong to Dalit Voice Parivar which is being published by banglore by V.T.Rajshekhar.if your hindu clans want to see me they can meet me in Lucknow on 24 th April ,2011 .we are organising UP state level Dalit Voice members meet .I will suggest you ,Please  take a memberships of Dalit Voice ,fortnightly magzine which was established in 1981 and our editor was put in jail and his passport was confiscated for 20 by hindu led government in india.Please have a look dalit voice which is available free on internet. It is useless to ask my where about .Those who want to write about dalits they must read Dr Ambedkar 22 vows and his 22 volumes which was published by maharasthra Government..for your hindu clans ,i am not from pakistan.

     
  79. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    Dear Kumarpushp

    Why is it useless to ask about your whereabouts? I don’t hide who I am and where I live. Why do you need to hide that? This is not about meeting you, but about why your computer is located in Ireland!

    Sanjeev

     
  80. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    Dear Kumarpushp

    Why is it useless to ask about your whereabouts? I don’t hide who I am and where I live. Why do you need to hide that? This is not about meeting you, but about why your computer is located in Ireland!

    Sanjeev

     
  81. Kumarpushp

    DEAR SANJEEV,LET MY COMPUTER IS BEING LOCATED AT TAMBUTOOR,DOES IT MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE ABOUT MY OPENION,I WOULD SAY NO.YOU HAVE ALL RIGHTS TO LOCATE MY COMPUTER ,I MIGHT BE ON HOLIDAYS IN EUROPE OR AMERICA.AS I HAVE TOLD YOU EARLIER I DONOT GIVE ANY SHITS TO ANY HINDUS OR THERE HINDU LED GOVERNMENT. SINCE I AM BUDDHIST AND AMBEDKERITE I HAVE ALL RIGHTS TO GIVE YOU ANSWERS WHAT DALITS FEEL ABOUT YOU AND YOUR HINDU CLANS. YOU WRITE ABOUT INDIAN GOVERNMENT ,WE DONOT HAVE ANY PROBLEMS BUT AMBEDKAR AND BUDDHISM IS VERY DEAR TO MY HEART.YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO ASK ME ABOUT MY LOCATION. 

     
  82. Kumarpushp

    DEAR SANJEEV,LET MY COMPUTER IS BEING LOCATED AT TAMBUTOOR,DOES IT MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE ABOUT MY OPENION,I WOULD SAY NO.YOU HAVE ALL RIGHTS TO LOCATE MY COMPUTER ,I MIGHT BE ON HOLIDAYS IN EUROPE OR AMERICA.AS I HAVE TOLD YOU EARLIER I DONOT GIVE ANY SHITS TO ANY HINDUS OR THERE HINDU LED GOVERNMENT. SINCE I AM BUDDHIST AND AMBEDKERITE I HAVE ALL RIGHTS TO GIVE YOU ANSWERS WHAT DALITS FEEL ABOUT YOU AND YOUR HINDU CLANS. YOU WRITE ABOUT INDIAN GOVERNMENT ,WE DONOT HAVE ANY PROBLEMS BUT AMBEDKAR AND BUDDHISM IS VERY DEAR TO MY HEART.YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO ASK ME ABOUT MY LOCATION. 

     
  83. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    Dear Kumarpushp

    You’re getting angry for no rhyme or reason. There can be perfectly valid reasons for you to be located in Ireland. The problem is that people have raised questions about your authenticity. What’s the harm in explaining why you write from Ireland?

    Don’t give me the Buddha story. Buddha and Ambedkar were great proponents of the truth. They would NEVER hide the reality. Your credibility will be enhanced if you disclose who you are, what you do, and more importantly why you are in Ireland.

    Regards
    Sanjeev

     
  84. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    Dear Kumarpushp

    You’re getting angry for no rhyme or reason. There can be perfectly valid reasons for you to be located in Ireland. The problem is that people have raised questions about your authenticity. What’s the harm in explaining why you write from Ireland?

    Don’t give me the Buddha story. Buddha and Ambedkar were great proponents of the truth. They would NEVER hide the reality. Your credibility will be enhanced if you disclose who you are, what you do, and more importantly why you are in Ireland.

    Regards
    Sanjeev

     
  85. Kumarpushp

    I am a member of dalit Voice parivar whom I belong .we have about one million follower in world ,if you want to join dalit voice then you will get all details of me and my members.as for you and your hindu clans ,I donot belong to pakistan but our dalitvoice parivar are living in Pakistan who are life long members.I was in holidays in europe and coming to Australia in month of June so I might see you.you are discussing open letter to dalits.who are you and your tom to ask me about my identity.as you donot belong to India so you have no right to ask from where  I belong.I am friend of dalits and and trying to librate the Bodh gaya from hindus.you can contact the Dalit Voice editor  at banglore.I would be happy if you start subscribing dalit voice magzine then only you will know the dalit mind.

     
  86. Kumarpushp

    I am a member of dalit Voice parivar whom I belong .we have about one million follower in world ,if you want to join dalit voice then you will get all details of me and my members.as for you and your hindu clans ,I donot belong to pakistan but our dalitvoice parivar are living in Pakistan who are life long members.I was in holidays in europe and coming to Australia in month of June so I might see you.you are discussing open letter to dalits.who are you and your tom to ask me about my identity.as you donot belong to India so you have no right to ask from where  I belong.I am friend of dalits and and trying to librate the Bodh gaya from hindus.you can contact the Dalit Voice editor  at banglore.I would be happy if you start subscribing dalit voice magzine then only you will know the dalit mind.

     
  87. Kumarpushp

    Dear sanjeev ,for your kind information ,I donot get angry very soon but I had written all truth about India and hindu clans.so Please donot divert the attention from topic.

     
  88. Kumarpushp

    Dear sanjeev ,for your kind information ,I donot get angry very soon but I had written all truth about India and hindu clans.so Please donot divert the attention from topic.

     
  89. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    Dear Kumarpushp

    Nice to know that you are a “friend of Dalits” (i.e. you are not yourself a “Dalit” which is fine by me). I am, too – a friend of “Dalits”, indeed everyone.

    Happy to meet you when you come to Melbourne. Please write to me and we can arrange a time and place to catch up.

    Dalit Voice is available online (http://www.dalitvoice.org/) so if I want to read it I can do so without subscribing. I don’t mind reading occasionally to see what kind of information is provided.

    I’d have liked to know more about you publicly, since that would make things more even (you know who I am, I know who you are). It would have been better also since at the moment some suspicions remain (such as about your sources of funding). And I don’t see how you wish to be a leader of millions of people but hide behind the bush. However, that is your choice. There is no obligation for people to disclose their identity on my blog. (It would have been particularly good to know your educational background as well. Knowledge of economics would have been a positive thing, in the context of our discussions.)

    Leaving this aside, while I promise to read some Dalit Voice articles, will you at least commit to read BFN?

    Regards
    Sanjeev

     
  90. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    Dear Kumarpushp

    Nice to know that you are a “friend of Dalits” (i.e. you are not yourself a “Dalit” which is fine by me). I am, too – a friend of “Dalits”, indeed everyone.

    Happy to meet you when you come to Melbourne. Please write to me and we can arrange a time and place to catch up.

    Dalit Voice is available online (http://www.dalitvoice.org/) so if I want to read it I can do so without subscribing. I don’t mind reading occasionally to see what kind of information is provided.

    I’d have liked to know more about you publicly, since that would make things more even (you know who I am, I know who you are). It would have been better also since at the moment some suspicions remain (such as about your sources of funding). And I don’t see how you wish to be a leader of millions of people but hide behind the bush. However, that is your choice. There is no obligation for people to disclose their identity on my blog. (It would have been particularly good to know your educational background as well. Knowledge of economics would have been a positive thing, in the context of our discussions.)

    Leaving this aside, while I promise to read some Dalit Voice articles, will you at least commit to read BFN?

    Regards
    Sanjeev

     
  91. Kumarpushp

    Deae Sanjeev , I read your BFN but our war is not with hindus but with hinduism. I donot require any funding to visit places ,being a parivar of dalit voice we donot think of fundings.Please have a look on 22 vows of Dr Ambedkar which was given to every dalits by Dr ambedkar in 1956.Dalits means broken people who are persecuted and  denied human righrs. Jai Bheem .

     
  92. Kumarpushp

    Deae Sanjeev , I read your BFN but our war is not with hindus but with hinduism. I donot require any funding to visit places ,being a parivar of dalit voice we donot think of fundings.Please have a look on 22 vows of Dr Ambedkar which was given to every dalits by Dr ambedkar in 1956.Dalits means broken people who are persecuted and  denied human righrs. Jai Bheem .

     
  93. mitch

    Sanjeev, Please reject this kind of poison rightaway unequivocally.
     
    Please re-read your own post:
    http://sabhlokcity.com/2010/08/reject-poison-accept-liberty-and-humanity/
     
    In that post you wrote: "Through this post I appeal to all Indians to reject all messages of hate and  work towards the day when South Asia will be re-united, if not as a nation then at least as a customs union".
     
    I do not see how anyone can interpret messages of kumarpushp as other than unalloyed hatred, bigotry and religious intolerance.
     
    In the post i linked, you unsubscribed from the person who sent you the message. How come you are happy to personally meet kumarpushp after all hate he has spewed ?
     
    Let me remind you of the kind of hatred he's spewing here:
     
    "India is a country where r 5 IIT and and five and SIX  IIM so where other people will go and get quality education so my openion lets divide India to hundred parts and every minorities should get their part and  run their own institution in India why 15% people should rule 85%.without equal distribution of land . problems would not solved.Hindusim is the mother of all evils in India so we have to annhilate the hinduism first then all problem will solve in one stroke.lets mulsms,dalits ,christians,naga,maratha all should get equal share in India.India is a not a country but nation within the nation.equal distribution of land is the only solution for  India."
     
    "Hindus are born barbaric and no civilized society can stay with them."
     
    This kind of poison is OK on your blog, sanjeev ?
     
    You asked indians to "work towards the day when south asia will be RE-UNITED ..". How come you are giving platform to a guy whose sole agenda appears to be DIVIDING the Indian state yet again on communal lines ?
     
    Why the double standards ?
     
    Please. Civil society must reject this kind of poison. We must say "if you are going to spread hatred and division, iam not going to engage with you. Period". A line must be drawn somewhere. You may say that people can always get their own blogs, so whats the point. But there's a difference. MAINSTREAM society must reject every instance of hatred, so that such speech does not slowly BECOME mainstream. zero tolerance. You lived in USA for a while. You know how the mainstream immediately rejects hate speech and the person is marked as racist. That's the kind of zero tolerance we want. Otherwise hate speech will slow start becoming more accepted. If the MAINSTREAM does not reject it, it will slowy BECOME MAINSTREAM. Think about it. Let me ask something. Would the kind of speech that kumarpushp uses, be acceptable in a mainstream blog in Australia ?
     
    Kumarpushp says he's interested in human rights. Is this the way to work for human rights ? Gandhi, Lincoln, MLK, Mandela, Ambedkar never preached HATRED in the name of human rights.
     

     
  94. mitch

    Sanjeev, Please reject this kind of poison rightaway unequivocally.
     
    Please re-read your own post:
    http://sabhlokcity.com/2010/08/reject-poison-accept-liberty-and-humanity/
     
    In that post you wrote: "Through this post I appeal to all Indians to reject all messages of hate and  work towards the day when South Asia will be re-united, if not as a nation then at least as a customs union".
     
    I do not see how anyone can interpret messages of kumarpushp as other than unalloyed hatred, bigotry and religious intolerance.
     
    In the post i linked, you unsubscribed from the person who sent you the message. How come you are happy to personally meet kumarpushp after all hate he has spewed ?
     
    Let me remind you of the kind of hatred he's spewing here:
     
    "India is a country where r 5 IIT and and five and SIX  IIM so where other people will go and get quality education so my openion lets divide India to hundred parts and every minorities should get their part and  run their own institution in India why 15% people should rule 85%.without equal distribution of land . problems would not solved.Hindusim is the mother of all evils in India so we have to annhilate the hinduism first then all problem will solve in one stroke.lets mulsms,dalits ,christians,naga,maratha all should get equal share in India.India is a not a country but nation within the nation.equal distribution of land is the only solution for  India."
     
    "Hindus are born barbaric and no civilized society can stay with them."
     
    This kind of poison is OK on your blog, sanjeev ?
     
    You asked indians to "work towards the day when south asia will be RE-UNITED ..". How come you are giving platform to a guy whose sole agenda appears to be DIVIDING the Indian state yet again on communal lines ?
     
    Why the double standards ?
     
    Please. Civil society must reject this kind of poison. We must say "if you are going to spread hatred and division, iam not going to engage with you. Period". A line must be drawn somewhere. You may say that people can always get their own blogs, so whats the point. But there's a difference. MAINSTREAM society must reject every instance of hatred, so that such speech does not slowly BECOME mainstream. zero tolerance. You lived in USA for a while. You know how the mainstream immediately rejects hate speech and the person is marked as racist. That's the kind of zero tolerance we want. Otherwise hate speech will slow start becoming more accepted. If the MAINSTREAM does not reject it, it will slowy BECOME MAINSTREAM. Think about it. Let me ask something. Would the kind of speech that kumarpushp uses, be acceptable in a mainstream blog in Australia ?
     
    Kumarpushp says he's interested in human rights. Is this the way to work for human rights ? Gandhi, Lincoln, MLK, Mandela, Ambedkar never preached HATRED in the name of human rights.
     

     
  95. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    Dear Mitch

    I support all your points. The key difference between that message you cite and Kumarpushp is that that other person was spewing poison against Pakistan in its time of great distress – an abominable position to hold, but Kumarpush is spewing hatred against “Hindus” with at least some basis in historical fact.

    The problem he is raising is very significant and wont’ go away by disengaging with Kumarpushp. I would rather discuss and help Kumarpush understand that his perspective is mistaken, and that he should join the political process to increase freedom for all Indians, than disengage with him and later have to find he has actually actioned some of his potentially violent ideas. Once that stage is reached, there can be no discussion, but the situation is not yet that bad.

    I think the key is to understand that there ARE some serious problems in relation to the treatment of “Dalits” by (at least some) caste Hindus. And the solution is to educate EVERYONE and remove this discrimination. It is a social reform issue, but also a governance issue. Good education should be assured to everyone in India. That is what I’m working towards.

    If people like Kumarpush can rid their mind of hatred, we will find them working very hard for reform. The Freedom Team needs people who are determined to achieve a new India. While Kumarpushp won’t qualify to join FTI at the moment, he may, after he has understood the wonderful new India I’m offering to everyone.

    Regards
    Sanjeev

     
  96. Sanjeev Sabhlok

    Dear Mitch

    I support all your points. The key difference between that message you cite and Kumarpushp is that that other person was spewing poison against Pakistan in its time of great distress – an abominable position to hold, but Kumarpush is spewing hatred against “Hindus” with at least some basis in historical fact.

    The problem he is raising is very significant and wont’ go away by disengaging with Kumarpushp. I would rather discuss and help Kumarpush understand that his perspective is mistaken, and that he should join the political process to increase freedom for all Indians, than disengage with him and later have to find he has actually actioned some of his potentially violent ideas. Once that stage is reached, there can be no discussion, but the situation is not yet that bad.

    I think the key is to understand that there ARE some serious problems in relation to the treatment of “Dalits” by (at least some) caste Hindus. And the solution is to educate EVERYONE and remove this discrimination. It is a social reform issue, but also a governance issue. Good education should be assured to everyone in India. That is what I’m working towards.

    If people like Kumarpush can rid their mind of hatred, we will find them working very hard for reform. The Freedom Team needs people who are determined to achieve a new India. While Kumarpushp won’t qualify to join FTI at the moment, he may, after he has understood the wonderful new India I’m offering to everyone.

    Regards
    Sanjeev

     
  97. Raja

    I have spent time reading this whole blog (all the messages are there twice and
    so saves me 50% time). I dont have Sanjeev’s patience and I dont think I am
    against Kumar’s want for a dalitstan. Let us just look at a few points to
    ponder.
    a. Yes dalits have been wronged in the past centuries.
    b. Many castes including brahmins have also been wronged in the past
    centuries.
    c. Reservation is a form of beggary.
    d. Gandhi did get independance by a form of beggary to tell the truth as
    Kumar would say!
    Does this mean that Dalits should get reservation?
    Let us assume we give Dalitstan to dalits. Kumar mentions 160million dalits
    in 1billion. So how did the stupid Indian parties give them 27% reservation
    while their population is only 16%.
    Like Pakistan if we give Dalitstan an area equal to 16% of India do you
    think they will progress?
    For the first few years they will spend all the money they have like the
    Nehrus spent the money from British. Then the D-stan folks will have to find
    means to fund themselves. So they will start selling their country parcel by
    parcel to other bidders. So is this a benefit to Dalits or to Kumar’s so
    called Hindus. I think if Kumar is right, about Kasturba and Ambedkar, then
    so called Hindus should be angry about it! If D-stan was given away then by
    now the Hindus would have
    a. A buffer zone between Muslims and themselves
    b. Could have bought up the D-stan parcel by parcel and enjoy it WITHOUT
    GIVING THEIR HARD EARNED MONEY AS TAX TO PROVIDE RESERVATION FOR THE D-STAN
    FOLKS.
    So in summary Kumar is wrong. Dalits will never take a 16% land share and
    scoot. They will like the others to work hard and earn for them so that they
    can till the soil and live a COOL life.
    If I had the way I will provide Kumar his 16% without a budge. However how
    do we demarcate India into Hindustand and D-stan. Like Pak was formed we
    need to give major dalit populated areas to Dalits. So Kumar should have to
    go and live in tribal areas like Manipur or Mizoram or Nagaland and not in
    Bangalore along with VTR or whoever. That will keep Bangalore from this
    unwanted reservation even under RTE which is intended for poor and not for
    castes!
    Finally I must thank Ambedkar, Periyar and the likes for creating
    reservation. It has made the intelligent more intelligent. By fighting for a
    miniscule portion of seats the forward castes have learnt to become smarter
    stronger and better, while Dalits have much against the wishes of Sanjeev
    become less independant, more slavish and pure beggars. While Ambedkar rose
    to prominance due to his abilities, today’s dalits collect beggary allowance
    called as reservation. So I dont think it is bad for forward castes. Just
    makes them more INVINCIBLE.
    Beyond this the above blog is just a waste of time, rather timepass. For
    sure nothing is gonna change, no D-stan will come and please me and Kumar’s
    will bore the hell out of folks with stupid sites like Dalit nation, so that
    they can collect money and holiday in europe and Sanjeev’s will give
    commentary on India sitting abroad with a foreign passport. Good joke sites
    should include this blog and dalit nation!

     
  98. NEEN

    First of all distribution of land to Dalits is not communism. In true capitalism or libertarian ism property should have been acquired by law of justice. The upper castes of India segregated Dalits, made sure they owned no land, enriched themselves with free labor and denied Dalits education. Individuals belong to families that transmit economic, cultural, and other advantages (and disadvantages) from one generation to the next. Individuals have caste, religious, and ethnic identities, and those identities shape the way they are treated by other individuals and institutions both consciously and subconsciously, intentionally and unintentionally. Put these two kinds of identity together and it’s easy enough to see that injustices against an individual in one generation can negatively affect other individuals in later generations. And that systematic injustices against certain groups of individuals can have systematic effects on other members of those groups in later generations. Any right minded person who calls themselves human should support reservations for Dalits, land distribution and desperate Dalit electorate. Caste system is rampant in rural India in Hindi areas. The only places where there is no caste system is Kashmir, Mizoram, Nagaland, Arunachal and areas of North east. The word Hindu is a misnomer: In Hinduism there is Brahmanism which is religion of north Indian upper castes, there in Budhism in India, there is Aetheism caravaka and many other forms of religion. Sikhism was /is included in Hinduism as well. The problem as I see is the with Brahminists

     

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