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Osho might have been a sensible fellow, after all. His views on religion, science and economics match mine.

I had commented positively on Osho's views against socialism, here

Now I find he also had almost exactly the same views as mine regarding religion and science. I was introduced to these views of Osho on FB (see this post: In this post I critique religions (as I always have), and insist on critical thinking and evidence).

I'll reproduce Osho's views below, except the last bit of his views which is mumbo jumbo (I don't mind people having their own, private mumbo jumbo, so his followers can "read" that kind of stuff). [Source]

I have no time to explore Osho. Clearly he was no Adam Smith or Hayek. But he might have been a broadly sensible fellow, after all.




Are you against all the religions? What is their most fundamental mistake?
Yes, I am against all the so-called religions because they are not religions at all. I am for religion but not for the religions. 
The true religion can only be one, just like science. You don't have a Mohammedan physics, a Hindu physics, a Christian physics; that would be nonsense. But that's what the religions have done – they have made the whole earth a madhouse. 
If science is one, then why should the science of the inner not be one, too? 
Science explores the objective world and religion explores the subjective world. Their work is the same, just their direction and dimension are different. 
In a more enlightened age there will be no such thing as religion, there will be only two sciences: objective science and subjective science. Objective science deals with things, subjective science deals with being. 
That's why I say I am against the religions but not against religion. But that religion is still in its birth pangs. All the old religions will do everything in their power to kill it, to destroy it – because the birth of a science of consciousness will be the death of all these so-called religions which have been exploiting humanity for thousands of years. 
What will happen to their churches, synagogues, temples? What will happen to their priesthood, their popes, their imams, their shankaracharyas, their rabbis? It is big business. And these people are not going to easily allow the true religion to be born. 
But the time has come in human history when the grip of the old religions is loosening. 
Man is only formally paying respect to Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Mohammedanism, but basically anybody who has any intelligence is no longer interested in all that rubbish. He may go to the synagogue and to the church and to the mosque for other reasons, but those reasons are not religious; those reasons are social. It pays to be seen in the synagogue; it is respectable, and there is no harm. It is just like joining the rotary club or the lions club. These religions are old clubs which have a religious jargon around them, but look a little deeper and you will find they are all hocus-pocus with no substance inside. 
I am for religion, but that religion will not be a repetition of any religion that you are acquainted with. 
This religion will be a rebellion against all these religions. It will not carry their work further; it will stop their work completely and start a new work – the real transformation of man. 
You ask me: What is the most fundamental error of all these religions? There are many errors and they are all fundamental, but first I would like to talk about the most fundamental. The most fundamental error of all the religions is that none of them was courageous enough to accept that there are things which we don't know. They all pretended to know everything, they all pretended to know all, that they were all omniscient. 
Why did this happen? – because if you accept that you are ignorant about something then doubt arises in the minds of your followers. If you are ignorant about something, who knows? – you may be ignorant about other things also. What is the guarantee? To make it foolproof, they have all pretended, without exception, that they are omniscient. 
The most beautiful thing about science is that it does not pretend to be omniscient.
Science does not pretend to be omniscient; it accepts its human limits. It knows how much it knows, and it knows that there is much more to know. And the greatest scientists know of something even deeper. The known, they know the boundaries of; the knowable they will know sooner or later – they are on the way. 



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Muslims are welcome to not eat pork, but kindly don’t FALSELY malign pig meat

I chanced upon this rather amazing claim regarding pig meat: [screenshot] Some allegedly "scientific" support is provided here.

I just can't be true, was my first thought. I understand biological processes and physiology well enough to reject such claims outright. However, I also undertook some research (1 hour, total) and here are my conclusions. People are welcome to add/question, through comments.

MY CONCLUSION: Pork is AS HEALTHY AS ANY OTHER MEAT. Make sure you cook it well (all meats should be cooked well – unless you are having sushi, in which case the feed and care of the animal should have been very carefully organised). And eat in moderation.

1) A pig is a real garbage gut. It will eat anything including urine, excrement, dirt, decaying animal flesh, maggots, or decaying vegetables. They will even eat the cancerous growths off other pigs or animals.


Farm fed pigs are provided healthy food. (When hungry, cattle also eat everything, so also chicken. As a rule, one should avoid animals raised in toxic dumps or human waste dumps.

2) The meat and fat of a pig absorbs toxins like a sponge. Their meat can be 30 times more toxic than beef or venison.


Pigs are like humans ("Pigs are very much like humans," says Stan Casteel, associate professor in the University of Missouri's College of Veterinary Medicine. He's talking physiology, not necessarily manners).  Toxins can get into their blood just as they can get into our blood.

Because their absorption system is similar to ours, they can be used to detect which site is toxic. ("There are about 250 different species of lead," says Mark Doolan, a geologist in the EPA's Kansas City office, who is leading part of the cleanup program. The toxicity of the lead, it turns out, varies with its type, the kind of soil that it is found in, and other factors. "You could eat a pound of some of this stuff and it wouldn't absorb into your body at all," Doolan says. Other types could prove deadly, even in trace amounts. The key is to determine which types of lead, under which conditions, are most likely to be absorbed into the human blood stream. )

Pigs are fed hundreds of samples, and their blood tested. This would suggest that it is important to not eat pigs whose diet is not controlled. Having said that, the pigs eaten by tribals in Assam, for instance, are perfectly safe, since there are no toxins in that natural environment. So go out and eat pork that is well grown or grown in natural (not human) habitats.

3) When eating beef or venison, it takes 8 to 9 hours to digest the meat so what little toxins are in the meat are slowly put into our system and can be filtered by the liver. But when pork is eaten, it takes only 4 hours to digest the meat. We thus get a much higher level of toxins within a shorter time.


The human digestive system is perfectly capable of dealing with all meats.  Properly marinated and cooked pork has been tested and found to be perfectly healthy. In fact, I was reading the other day a report that suggests bacon provides particular health benefits to mothers. Of course, everything must be consumed in moderation.

4) Unlike other mammals, a pig does not sweat or perspire. Perspiration is a means by which toxins are removed from the body. Since a pig does not sweat, the toxins remain within its body and in the meat.


Neither cows nor pigs – not most mammals – have many sweat glands. Humans have a unique – and relatively recent – adaptation that makes us the only ape that can run a long distance marathon. But sweating is mainly for COOLING the body, not for elimination of toxins. Pigs do have perfectly fine kidneys and liver, to clear their body of toxins.

5) Pigs and swine are so poisonous that you can hardly kill them with strychnine or other poisons.


Strychnine is highly toxic to most domestic animals. Its oral LD50 in dogs, cattle, horses, and pigs is 0.5–1 mg/kg, and in cats is 2 mg/kg. (Humans require MORE Strychnine to be killed (1–2 mg/kg). 

6) Farmers will often pen up pigs within a rattlesnake nest because the pigs will eat the snakes, and if bitten they will not be harmed by the venom.


Wild pigs are resilient to the venom of many snakes, including rattlesnakes and will harass and even kill and eat all sorts of venomous snakes.  (e.g. seee this).

Why is this so? The domestic pig has been found to have convergently evolved amino acid replacements in their nicotinic acetylcholine receptor, which are known to confer resistance to alpha-neurotoxins in hedgehogs. Whether the pig may be considered so is still uncertain, though early studies show endogenous resistance in pigs tested against neurotoxins. Though it has been thought that the pig's subcutaneous layer of fat protects it against snake venom, most venoms pass easily through vascular fat layers, making this unlikely to contribute to its ability to resist venoms. [Source] So, it appears that along with certain animals, the pig might have some innate resistance to snake venom.

But assume a hog or pig was bitten by a snake. Would that make the meat harmful to humans? No. Venom is only effective if it gets directly into the human bloodstream – through injection via (not through) a snake's fangs. Eating venom (proteases or other enzymes) is harmless (since disulfide bonds in sulfur containing aminoacids are denatured – broken down – inside our stomach into harmless components). We can safely suck out snake/wasp venom with our mouth. Cooking also reduces the potency of venoms [SourceTwenty-eight snake venoms were examined for the presence of heat-stable (100 degrees C, 5 min) hemorrhagic toxins. Heating drastically reduced the activity of all venoms except that of Crotalus ruber and Crotalus molossus molossus. With azocoll as substrate, upon heating, all except five venoms lost essentially all of their activity. Heated venoms from snakes in the Agkistrodon genus (except for Agkistrodon blomhoffi blomhoffi, an Asian snake) retained activity on azocoll, and this activity tended to correlate better with hemorrhagic activity of the venom than did proteolytic activity on casein.]

In general, therefore, there is no likelihood of imbibing potent venom into one's blood even from cooked pork that has been prepared from wildly grown pigs/boars. However, it is good practice to eat only farm grown pork.

7) When a pig is butchered, worms and insects take to its flesh sooner and faster than to other animal's flesh. In a few days the swine flesh is full of worms. 


Pork is often hung for days (just like beef) for tenderizing.  With preservatives it lasts for years (salami). Leaving any meat in unsanitary conditions will make it harmful. DON'T keep it out for days without proper care.

8) Swine and pigs have over a dozen parasites within them, such as tapeworms, flukes, worms, and trichinae. There is no safe temperature at which pork can be cooked to ensure that all these parasites, their cysts, and eggs will be killed.


If you eat pigs that feed in the drain, AND don't cook it, you could get some diseases. But if you eat farm grown animals, and cook them above 75 -80ºC, you will be perfectly fine. I've not come across pork sushi (beef sushi does exist) but I'd avoid pork sushi.

9) Pig meat has twice as much fat as beef. A 3 oz T bone steak contains 8.5 grams of fat; a 3 oz pork chop contains 18 grams of fat. A 3 oz beef rib has 11.1 grams of fat; a 3 oz pork spare rib has 23.2 grams of fat.


No one eats pork with all the fat that comes along with it. Lean pork is the way to go, and lean pork can have less fat than comparable meats ( or

10) Cows have a complex digestive system, having four stomachs. It thus takes over 24 hours to digest their vegetarian diet causing its food to be purified of toxins. In contrast, the swine's one stomach takes only about 4 hours to digest its foul diet, turning its toxic food into flesh.


The reason why a cow needs 4 stomachs is because it eats cellulose which is like wood. Al toxins are cleared in the liver and kidneys. The also has one liver and set of kidneys.

11) The swine carries about 30 diseases which can be easily passed to humans. This is why God commanded that we are not even to touch their carcase (Leviticus 11:8).


Do Muslims eat sushi? If so, why this strange reason? Cooking is the key.

12) The trichinae worm of the swine is microscopically small, and once ingested can lodge itself in our intestines, muscles, spinal cord or the brain. This results in the disease trichinosis. The symptoms are sometimes lacking, but when present they are mistaken for other diseases, such as typhoid, arthritis, rheumatism, gastritis, MS, meningitis, gall bladder trouble, or acute alcoholism.


Do Muslims eat sushi? If so, why this strange reason? Cooking is the key.

13) The pig is so poisonous and filthy, that nature had to prepare him a sewer line or canal running down each leg with an outlet in the bottom of the foot. Out of this hole oozes pus and filth his body cannot pass into its system fast enough. Some of this pus gets into the meat of the pig.


As someone wrote somewhere: Dissect a pig fetus, look at a factual diagram of a pig's anatomy, or even study a live pig and you'd see how ridiculously wrong this is. Do Muslims not study anatomy?


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Wahhabism: The School of Ibn Taymiyyah – The Root of Islamic Terrorism. A video worth viewing.

Please view this. Very enlightening.

This makes it EVEN more clear, to me, that it is not going to be possible to eradicate Islamic violence (ISIS, etc.) easily, and that any non-Muslim intervention could backfire. 

The answer lies in the non-Wahhabi Muslims in the middle East assembling to defeat and physically wipe out the ISIS and extreme varieties of Muslims.

But because violence can't easily solve such problems (although, just as Nazism DID get solved by destroying Hitler, so violence definitely needs to be tried in this case), it is likely that this issue will re-emerge in the coming centuries, as well.

Ideally, all religion should go. But at the least, we need to fight the violent strains of religion, as and when they arise.

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It is time for Muslims (even Wahabis) to assemble, to fight the ISIS. This evil won’t go away on its own.

I hope my Muslim friends (I have many, on Facebook) will now pay heed to the ISIS's ultra-Islamic agenda and try to understand how it is being driven by ISLAM, not by any fictitious American/Israeli intervention (yes!, some have even suggested to me that Israel has created ISIS! How terribly misinformed can one get).

So here's the problem. 

These people (ISIS) are GENUINE Muslims, following the Koran to the last word, exactly as it was intended.

If you go to them and preach alternative views (as one Muslim friend has proposed here), it won't work with them.

But this is not the first time the Muslim world has seen such a fight between fundamentalists and the moderates. It is an ongoing, cyclical phenomenon. India had Aurangzeb (but also had Akbar, for instance).

The solution is also clear: these extremists have to be given ACTUAL (physical) battle, and decapacitated. They can't be fought ideologically. And they can't be (and should NEVER be) fought by Americans or Western powers.

If the West directly enters the battlefield, it will merely promote the growth of the ISIS.

The battle needs to be fought WITHIN THE MUSLIM WORLD.

In the face of the ISIS brand of Islam, even the Wahabi brand looks rather moderate! All these people (moderates, and even Wahabis) need to organise an army of Muslims to fight ISIS.

I'm sorry, but I don't think such ideological battles within religions can get fixed without physical war. The level of brainwashing among the ISIS folk can't be undone thorough discussion or persuasion.

The fight for liberty will have to wait the resolution of these religious fights. The journey for the liberation of mankind is going to be long and tedious. Religion is one heck of an obstacle to human progress.

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ISIS’s ultra-Islamic world: slavery, crucifixtion, cutting off hands, jizya. AND the return of Christ – to save the Muslims!

Things are looking bad for the world, with the rise of the ISIS and the so-called "true" Islam. I'm making note of some dramatic points from Graeme Wood's article, below. Bolding, title, colour annotations mine.

The situation clearly started with someone taking their Koran too seriously. Now it will probably not end well – for them. If it was not such a terrible thing to read about, one might even have a bit of a laugh at the whole thing, so amusing is this idea of reviving 7th century customs in a modern world. 

And of Christ himself coming back to lead the Muslims to glory! As they say these days, "lol".


“Slavery, crucifixion, and beheadings are not something that freakish [jihadists] are cherry-picking from the medieval tradition,” Haykel said. Islamic State fighters “are smack in the middle of the medieval tradition and are bringing it wholesale into the present day.”

"The Koran specifies crucifixion as one of the only punishments permitted for enemies of Islam. The tax on Christians finds clear endorsement in the Surah Al-Tawba, the Koran’s ninth chapter, which instructs Muslims to fight Christians and Jews “until they pay the jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” The Prophet, whom all Muslims consider exemplary, imposed these rules and owned slaves."

when the Islamic State began enslaving people, even some of its supporters balked. Nonetheless, the caliphate has continued to embrace slavery and crucifixion without apology. “We will conquer your Rome, break your crosses, and enslave your women,” Adnani, the spokesman, promised in one of his periodic valentines to the West. “If we do not reach that time, then our children and grandchildren will reach it, and they will sell your sons as slaves at the slave market.”  [Sanjeev: Surely these people are EXTREME nuts!]

In October, Dabiq, the magazine of the Islamic State, published “The Revival of Slavery Before the Hour,” an article that took up the question of whether Yazidis (the members of an ancient Kurdish sect that borrows elements of Islam, and had come under attack from Islamic State forces in northern Iraq) are lapsed Muslims, and therefore marked for death, or merely pagans and therefore fair game for enslavement. A study group of Islamic State scholars had convened, on government orders, to resolve this issue. If they are pagans, the article’s anonymous author wrote,

Yazidi women and children [are to be] divided according to the Shariah amongst the fighters of the Islamic State who participated in the Sinjar operations [in northern Iraq] … Enslaving the families of the kuffar [infidels] and taking their women as concubines is a firmly established aspect of the Shariah that if one were to deny or mock, he would be denying or mocking the verses of the Koran and the narrations of the Prophet … and thereby apostatizing from Islam.


Before the caliphate, “maybe 85 percent of the Sharia was absent from our lives,” Choudary told me. “These laws are in abeyance until we have khilafa”—a caliphate—“and now we have one.” Without a caliphate, for example, individual vigilantes are not obliged to amputate the hands of thieves they catch in the act. But create a caliphate, and this law, along with a huge body of other jurisprudence, suddenly awakens.


The caliph is required to implement Sharia. Any deviation will compel those who have pledged allegiance to inform the caliph in private of his error and, in extreme cases, to excommunicate and replace him if he persists. (“I have been plagued with this great matter, plagued with this responsibility, and it is a heavy responsibility,” Baghdadi said in his sermon.) In return, the caliph commands obedience—and those who persist in supporting non-Muslim governments, after being duly warned and educated about their sin, are considered apostates.

The Islamic State differs from nearly every other current jihadist movement in believing that it (ISIS) is written into God’s script as a central character. It is in this casting that the Islamic State is most boldly distinctive from its predecessors, and clearest in the religious nature of its mission.


After its battle in Dabiq, Cerantonio said, the caliphate will expand and sack Istanbul. Some believe it will then cover the entire Earth, but Cerantonio suggested its tide may never reach beyond the Bosporus. An anti-Messiah, known in Muslim apocalyptic literature as Dajjal, will come from the Khorasan region of eastern Iran and kill a vast number of the caliphate’s fighters, until just 5,000 remain, cornered in Jerusalem. Just as Dajjal prepares to finish them off, Jesus—the second-most-revered prophet in Islam—will return to Earth, spear Dajjal, and lead the Muslims to victory.

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Something even more sinister is afoot: the delusion of an Apocalypse, in Islam

It is very hard to understand why Islam is becoming so violent these days. There was a time (particularly in India) when saints like Kabir flourished. There was a strong spirituality and everyone sought the best from each other's religion. Muslims have been a highly respected part of Indian society for hundreds of years (except sporadically), till British rule actively divided communities to shrink India's potential post-independence power (they have succeeded very well splitting India into shreds). 

But today, it is becoming very hard to get Muslims to even acknowledge the problem, leave along work out a way to solve the problem. I've left a debate on FB (here) since these people now insist that it is the USA that is arming the ISIS! What a crazy idea! How can people go so wrong?


I'm glad one Muslim has accepted this truth, a lady by the name Anooshe Mushtaq. I quote extracts from her article in The Australian, today. What she points to is about something really sinister brewing in Islam: a view the the Apocalypse is upon us. Sure: the Muslims ARE creating an apocalypse for many innocent humans, and yes they will BURN IN HELL (Sadly, there is no hell, but these evil monsters deserve to burn eternally, such is the level of evil they are demonstrating on a daily basis). 

Well, if this is the ideology of the ISIS, then the remedy is clear: All sane elements within Islam should take over and remove this ridiculous myth.

Believe it or not, Islam central to radicalisation and ISIS
JUNE 27, 2015

I am a Muslim female who was born in an Islamic country and lived most of my life in Australia.

Many Muslim migrants experience Western culture as corrupt, threatening their cultural and ­religious heritage. 

It is clear the issue of radicalisation is of national prominence, but how well do the government, commentators and the public understand it? 

My family migrated to Australia in 1985. A few years after migration, I was invited to attend a Muslim youth camp that was organised by the Lakemba and Melbourne mosques. The focus of the camp was to reinforce the faith of attendees in Wahhabi Islam. The strong message was that the Muslim youth at the camp represented traditional Islam and as a result were the “chosen ones”.

The message I heard at the camp was that Allah wanted the youth to be his ambassadors. Therefore, their duty was to change “corrupt society” by spreading the name of Allah…. Assimilating into the Australian way of life at that time was frowned upon.  Similar Muslim youth camps are still run today.

There has been extensive research seeking to understand Islamic State’s ideology and why it is attracting followers. Graeme Wood’s insightful piece in The Atlantic, “What ISIS Really Wants”, observes that “Islamic State is no mere collection of psychopaths. It is a religious group with carefully considered beliefs, among them that it is a key agent of the coming Apocalypse.” … Islamic State is devoutly religious and its core strategy is based on its understanding of Islamic teachings on the Apocalypse.

Wood argues that attempts to label Islamic State as “not Islamic” — a tactic frequently used by politicians ­attempting to express solidarity with mainstream Muslims — fundamentally miss the point. Islamic State is very Islamic.

Islamic State follows the Wahhabi sect of Islam.

Islam shares the concept of the Apocalypse with Judaism and Christianity. As strange as it sounds … Islamic State’s belief that the Apocalypse is imminent is key to its appeal and the success of its radicalisation messages. 

There are 12 major signs of the Apocalypse in Sura al-Qiyamah. … Islamic State propaganda seeks to convince the Muslim diaspora the Apocalypse is near and they should return to the caliphate lest they be judged unrighteous on the Day of Judgment. 

The propaganda is laden with religious symbolism and hidden meanings, drawing on teachings from the Koran and cultural traditions dating back a thousand years. Every word and act is carefully chosen to convince those reared in the Muslim tradition that the caliphate is true and the Apocalypse is coming. What seems medieval, or even pointless to nonbelievers, is designed to demonstrate to Muslims that Islamic State is legitimate and believers should return before the Day of Judgment.

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